Electribes updated with SD storage

Ebbertron · Post by **Ebbertron** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:17 pm

thats what I'm asking about. will korg make the card reader available so we can replace it ourselves? I hate the smart media cards @ $30 a pop...SD would be waaaaaaaay cheaper.

gil videla · Post by **gil videla** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:18 pm

tim from texas wrote:yea after i made that post i got to thinking... and dammet youre right the new card system wont help sample time at all anymore... especially since they have it plainly stated that the sample time is the same the old way... stupid and an unnecessary update

stupid and unnecessary, just like a new Kaossilator, or a microKorg XL?
Korg is, yes, STUPID AND UNNECESSARY.

gil videla · Post by **gil videla** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:23 pm

Here's another thing I worry about.

I have enough of pain in the ass with the horrible knob selector thing that jumps all over the place. It's bad enough I can't scroll from patter A1 to A5 without it skipping to D3. I doubt Korg have even addressed this problem. Now imagine you have to scroll through 20gigs of info to jump to a pattern? I don't even see how the Pattern selector button can utilitize 32gigs worth of stuff, how are you supposed create different banks and whatnot if you want, if 128Smart Media card was enough to contain the 256 the original came with, why would I need 32 gigs worth, like I'm gonna stop a live performance in the middle to load up a different set?

lame.

Sarrova-Q · Post by **Sarrova-Q** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:43 am

Korg please stop living in the past and come up with new and innovative products.
I all can see from Musikmesse is old products with only a new design. Nothing stands out, it's just the same sh*t

Monotron could have been something cool if it had just a little bit more controls and a mini sized keyboard (I hope the aux input works well).
I'm so disappointed, korg is getting behind.

Common guys, the Electribe series really need a decent upgrade. The FX section is totally outdated and bad sounding (although I still love the mod-delay), the sampling time is not enough, the synth section could be better, ... (and you have to know I'm not an Electribe-hater. I really loved my Electribes, I did so many gigs with them...)
You could have made the perfect Electribe to compete with NI Maschine/Elektron stuff/... and all you come up with (in 7 years !!!) is SD card storage and new patterns ...
And the SD storage doesn't give you more sampling time, it just let you save more samples on the card so it's pretty useless and a missed opportunity.

Shame on you!

JaymzDestroy · Post by **JaymzDestroy** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:22 pm

Its quite a dissapointing upgrade. As others have said, an updated sound engine, more polyphony (ie not monophonic) and
USB with an Editor would have been nice. Not to mention proper ADSRs.

I was gonna upgrade to an EMX from my EA/ER mkII's, glad I didnt buy until now. Im still a little hesitant on paying that
much for a "NEW" Groove box with a 6/7 year old Sound Engine/PCM samples that have been abused to death on youtube lol

Means I'd need to try and be even more creative....balls lol

Krog · Post by **Krog** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:15 pm

Pastor-of-Muppets wrote:
Ebbertron wrote:Will there be an upgrade available for current users? or are we SOL?
is there anything to upgrade? you can't upgrade to an sd card reader, as that's a hardware change. the only other differences I see are the new presets, which someone (maybe Korg) will make available as a download, just like you can get the factory presets today.

I emailed Korg to ask if they would be making the new presets available for download and got the following reply :

"We currently do not intend to make these available for download"

gil videla · Post by **gil videla** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:30 pm

Sarrova-Q wrote:Korg please stop living in the past and come up with new and innovative products.
I all can see from Musikmesse is old products with only a new design. Nothing stands out, it's just the same sh*t
Monotron could have been something cool if it had just a little bit more controls and a mini sized keyboard (I hope the aux input works well).
I'm so disappointed, korg is getting behind.

Common guys, the Electribe series really need a decent upgrade. The FX section is totally outdated and bad sounding (although I still love the mod-delay), the sampling time is not enough, the synth section could be better, ... (and you have to know I'm not an Electribe-hater. I really loved my Electribes, I did so many gigs with them...)
You could have made the perfect Electribe to compete with NI Maschine/Elektron stuff/... and all you come up with (in 7 years !!!) is SD card storage and new patterns ...
And the SD storage doesn't give you more sampling time, it just let you save more samples on the card so it's pretty useless and a missed opportunity.

Shame on you!

And this is coming from a guy who can make the tribes sound like they're something more impressive than they really were meant to be!!!

I think Korg put too much into the Kaossiator Pro and ignored us again

Sarrova-Q · Post by **Sarrova-Q** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:18 pm

Thx

Yeah I agree, I'm so disappointed. After all these years I was so happy to hear about upgraded Electribes (I already started thinking about getting a new one for my live sets) and then Korg did this. I don't get it. If they want to make people look elsewhere for buying new stuff they succeeded.
Even I started looking at NI Maschine and I know there's a part of me that's going to miss my 'Tribes a lot, but I'm afraid they're just getting too old now...

They should have made a new Electribe with Radias synth engine (or another improved synth engine), sampling, updated FX section, USB for editor and transferring samples and maybe the Monotron Filter. Keep the costs under the Machinedrum UW (so maybe between 800 and 1200 euro) and I know a lot of people who would pay for that.
They could even keep the costs down, cause R&D doesn't need to do much, all those technologies already exist in their other gear.
Okay I know you cant just implement them in new tribes but still it's less expensive then making stuff from scratch.

Now they are just getting your money for "NEW" Electribes with a technology of 7 years old. This upgrade is the sort of upgrade a company does 2 or 3 years after the first release, not 7 years! And again, the sampling time and everything else stays the same. It's only good for saving your sets ...
I'm curious what the street price will be for this 'new' stuff.

Way to go Korg ... (you won't even share the new presets ?!)
You should apologize to your Electribe users instead of advertising your 'new' and 'upgraded' Elecribes.
Man, what a mistake, I really hope these messages get your attention.

And yes, I'm quit angry and also sad you're destroying the soul of the Electribe series.

Dimitrije001 · Post by **Dimitrije001** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:38 am

It's sad what Korg have been doing for a year or so now...
obviously lacking fresh product ideas, they made a few 'new' products, which are basically recycled old ideas that were successful at the time of their first appearance...

Wavedrum?
Microkorg XL?
Kaossilator pro?
Monotron (re-invented Stylophone)?
And now the Electribes...

none of these are actually bad, but they should have appeared earlier and they are much less then someone would expect from a company that was many times ahead of others in terms of originality...

gil videla · Post by **gil videla** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:53 pm

I've been a long time fan of Korg, about 5 or so years ago when I started acquiring 'tribes, you couldn't get me to shut up about KORG (ask my wife)
I've had all kinds of KORG products
MS20, SQ10 to Poly 800 to DW8000 to O1/w to M1 to legacy collection to microKontrol midi controller to the ENTIRE Electribe series (sans M model that was a rompler)

Well once my EMX is sold, that will leave me with my final and last KORG piece of gear - the ESX

I will not be a KORG customer again... (although the nanokey is something I keep contemplating for a small piano controller - but I'll buy used so no more profit making to KORG from me)

iD4rK · Post by **iD4rK** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:11 pm

You guys need to get laid.

There are still people out there who want to buy the old Electribes, and its nice they updated it to SD.

It's true that Korg did not release anything REALLY original in the past years, but dude, let them upgrade their old products how they want to. You bought a product and you liked it when you bought it. Now, I like the Electribes more now even if its only and SD update. No reason to be jaleous of the SD Electribe owners. If you are not jellaous just STFU.

There is some crap this year, but I personally think that the microSTATION is a nice release, and I'm happy they made such a device. Wavedrum is a great thing to for people who love the bongo. Monotron should have been released only as VSTi.

Greets

Sarrova-Q · Post by **Sarrova-Q** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:55 pm

@ ID4rK:

iD4rK wrote:You guys need to get laid

... Ehhh sure ?! ... How old are you?

iD4rK wrote:let them upgrade their old products how they want to. You bought a product and you liked it when you bought it.
No reason to be jaleous of the SD Electribe owners.

Common man, this has NOTHING to do with being jealous. My Electribes can do EXACTLY the same thing as those with the SD option.
It's just the fact that this isn't an upgrade, if I could see some sort of progression and enhancements (like an updated FX section) I would not complain.
If everybody was thinking like you do right now, the future would be a boring place to live in.
You need to have some sort of progress in products, a company needs to be innovative and original and always make their goal a bit higher than the previous goal.
Look at what NI did with Maschine: they made a professional controller/workstation with up to date features.
Look at the Elektron series: again professional and up to date tools to work with.
I'm not saying that Maschine or the Machinedrum UW are perfect products with no possibility of improvement or that you HAVE to like them, but NI and Elektron adjust and improve their products over time to keep them up to date and professional sounding. (Look at the 1.5 update for maschine or the added sampling (UW) or +Drive for the Elektron products. Or even the new Octatrack that has up to date features and realtime timestretching capabilities. Now compare these products with the "new" Electribes E.X SD and think about what should be different).
They are blinding your Eyes with the SD cards, but you gain nothing from it! I don't care that I now can save 2645 sets on my EMX or 71 songs on my ESX (just an example), I want up-to-date FX, USB, professional Sampling with more - MUCH more- sampling time and an updated synth engine. Korg is getting so behind. Again, this upgrade is the upgrade you expect after 2 years and not 7.
I would be ashamed to do this kind of "upgrade" without changing anything else.
Can't you see that they're getting your money for OLD products?

Would you like to pay the same price as a new TV for a TV with a technology of 7 years old (no flat screen or HD, bad colors, bad sound...) but with the addition of a USB port to watch movies?
You won't like to watch movies on your 'new TV' cause the technology is and stays that old (even though you liked watching movies on such TV's 7 years ago). And please don't start to argument about this comparison, it's just an example.

Most of us are so frustrated because korg could have improved the Electribe's SO much, getting the line up to date and good enough to make pro sounding music on them.
Getting them good enough to compete with the other 'majors' and good enough to take them with you when performing live.
Imagine an ESX with a USB port to transfer samples, a lot more sampling time and an updated FX engine (also not a lot of changes, but still improvements that would keep it hot and alive).
This is 2010, you know, and as much as I love my old Tribes (and I love them a lot), the features are just too old.
Everybody who buys the "new" Electribes with SD function are paying way to much for such old technology (with these functions €400/$450 should be the streetprice if you look at the features and quality of sound. I'm curious what Korg will ask for them ...).

Please read my previous post and this one again and think about it before you post another reaction.

iD4rK · Post by **iD4rK** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:17 pm

Take that laid thing as an expression, it's fun to use for the lol-factor

Well if they are selling the EMX1SD's for the same price as the EM1, it would be ok. Korg is my favourite brand, and I would like to see something new and orignal or big improvements too.

I do not own an EMX1 and the update is not significant to completely useless. But it is not a reason to start flaming and just because some people are upset about this they start selling all their Korg equipment, just because of some little stupid thing. The products are still good.

It's like, oh my god, the lid of the sugar pot from IKEA now opens with one less twist, I am very angry, i'm disapointed, I'll sell all my ikea furniture and never going to buy any IKEA furniture again!

Hahah, seriously instead of flaming. Start an REQUEST FEATURES post for the Electribes.
Geez

Sarrova-Q · Post by **Sarrova-Q** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:37 pm

iD4rK wrote:Start an REQUEST FEATURES post for the Electribes.
Geez

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... ctribe+air

Just one example (posted 2 years ago), there has been said a lot about improvements and new features in the past.

And sorry to say so, but I still think you're not getting the point.
I'm not hating Korg and now selling all my Korg equipment (I also think that's not what Gil is saying).
It's about having no improvements at all over the last 7 years and because of that your stuff is getting to old and it isn't usable any more.
And about the fact that they are letting you pay WAY to much for old technology (again €400 should be a fair price).

Again, read my last posts and think about it:
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... 110#327110
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... 458#327458

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:08 pm

To be honest, they did this before with the earlier Electribes when they came up with the 'mkII'.

At least, I asked here about the differences, and no-one mentioned a thing except the chassis and preset patterns (which I quickly erased anyway...).

KORG seems to follow certain development patterns that result in these kinds of things. Admittedly, I would like to see a new electribe with more exciting features. Particularly the elimination of internal sample RAM. Then I could say the same things about their keyboards needing streaming samples, It should be here by now!

I think the point is that this isn't intended to be an 'upgrade' as such. Instead, KORG have noticed that they must still be selling a fair number of EMX and ESX models, so have released a newer version (like the mkII versions) which addresses the problem of needing almost unobtainable and expensive storage cards. if people wanted an electribe, they'll still get one, but now they won't have to go hunting for the cards for it. Furthermore, those who already have one probably don't need to 'upgrade' because they'll have the cards already anyway.