Good headphones for my Oasys

ozy · Post by **ozy** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:33 pm

I give up.

Three forumers, plus me, tried to talk you into piping down, but there's no way.

Have a duel with Herengaard, have him banned from the forum or put in front of a firing squad.

Whatever pleases your sad resentment.

Akos Janca · Post by **Akos Janca** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:46 pm

ozy wrote:Three forumers, plus me, tried to talk you into piping down, but there's no way.

ozy wrote:...I fully understand your reaction to the first picture, which was definitely some soft porn,

ozy wrote:I myself said that I don't condone homosexuality, especially as an object of voyeurism, much less on a synthesizer forum

1. Dear readers, why ozy tried to "pipe me down" when he is honestly against having porn here - so why didn't he help me instead (asking the poster politely or warning the moderators)?

Anybody can answer that?

2. I also think it would be better for ozy to pay increased attention not to offend anyone - homosexual or voyeur members - who may read his words above.

ozy wrote:Have a duel with Herengaard...

I repeat to confirm: I don't have any problems with Heregaard (that's his name) neither with ozy personally. But I do have serious problem with adult material on our public forum.

ozy · Post by **ozy** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:05 pm

Akos Janca wrote:why ozy tried to "pipe me down" when he is honestly against having porn here?

Boy are you the skilled inquisitor with the talent for snappy retorts...

If only the issue was worth it!

Listen, I told you to pipe down:

1) because Excited Self-Righteousness is as boring and as damaging as un-mailicious inappropriateness (which is Herehaard's "sin". No more no less).

2) because I have some tolerance for victimless behaviours. I shrug and go on.

3) because I can tell the difference between a lame joke [as herengaard's was] and malicious pornographic spamming [which is hateful, but didn't happen here]

4) because we are all adults here. I didn't feel like I need any moderator to protect me from another forumer.

I can just look away from what I don't want to see.

It's what makes me an adult, among others.

Now, if you don't mind, I'll stop answering.

This has been going on way too long and the next yawn could really hurt me.

UCanDream · Post by **UCanDream** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:33 pm

.....wow!

The Oasys forum has really degenerated to a new low. When I was new to KF I used to say silly things and unwittingly waste space that the Administrator had to pay for. (Albeit, my wasted space probably cost pennies. But I know that's not the point.) But how did you guys ever get to where you are at here? It looked like headphones, mics and mixing consoles were gobbled up by pride and who NEEDS to make THEIR point and have the last word. Go easy gentlemen. None of this 'other' talk contributes anything worthwhile to the forum or its relevant topic(s).

I thought I should just keep my nosey self out of all this but I took a look around at the rest of the forum and ONLY here in Oasys can you find such extensive ranting and bickering between members. Then a call goes out to the Moderator (Sharp) to effectively babysit adult men. What a shame! I thought I was good (that is a bad thing- I humbly admit) at derailing topics. A number of you guys stay on topic without skipping a beat and without immersing yourselves in the immature mentality that young children are known for, and what a commendable poise that is. Now, this might be a good time to copy/paste some of my antics here to further water down what is already happening in this place. But seriously, the adult action would be to step up to the plate and be the first one to shut up about anything unrelated to reason for the original thread.

Does Sharp really have to come here and lock a topic down because the rest of us grown men are so infantile? I like having this place to come to. It is such a priceless gem as a resource. I wish I felt more qualified to offer valuable contributions but honestly, my technical savvy pales in comparision to so many of you. Many of you guys are very talented and very knowledgeable about music and gear. You are also good debaters/arguers and very articulate in your ability to shred one another up. But what a way to squander good time that can be spent under the hood of the Oasys or in your studio kicking out some groovy tunes! I don't know any of you personally but I bet you guys are a bunch of pretty cool dudes. (Ladies included....they just aren't here bitching with us as far as I can tell). So I'm wondering; Are we able to curtail this without the owner of the site interceding? And not just this thread...but any thread that goes haywire? Again, you can try and call me out as the poster child of this very sort of engagement (which would not be an entirely accurate representation of me) but that would really be missing the point wouldn't it?

I got a new tune to post for you guys and gals. It's the first song I ever copyrighted....1979!! Seriously! I'll do that in a new topic.

Think about what I said guys.
Cheers everyone and all the best to you.

UCanDream

Akos Janca · Post by **Akos Janca** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:58 pm

I didn't want this debate. I had a simple polite request. (Ozy came only after this - joking and continuously mocking me.)

I would like to study the rules or principles of this forum to clearly understand how the moderators decide (based on what) if a post is offending. Please somebody send a link about it. Thank you.

UCanDream · Post by **UCanDream** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:48 pm

Hi Akos.

I really want to refrain from getting involved where I don't belong but I also didn't want you to think I was pointing a finger your direction so I felt it was important to at least clarify that. (Not that my opinions or statements are held in high regard...lol.) I was merely observing a situation that had developed. I also thought your "polite request" was not out of line.

So please take nothing personal from me. My thoughts were not of a personal nature....just general.

Cheers my friend.
(Now I'm off to get some old music posted to torment you all with...hehehe)

~ David aka UCanDream

Hedegaard · Post by **Hedegaard** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:08 pm

Oh dear!

I haven't checked this thread for a few days and am surprised to discover the proportions it has grown to, all because of the sake of a picture and alas I'm the culprit for bringing such misfortune!

Akos, I apologise if my picture offends you personally, that was not the intention, but I find myself in agreement with ozy that you should perhaps have just ignored it and moved on?
It would have been easier to do and would not have generated so much "debate".

Just to make some things clear, I will not remove my original post in this thread, because its NOT offensive, its within reasonable limits, it has humour.
Yes, I understood your polite request to remove it and I must politely refuse.
I don't think this is an issue for Sharp. There is NO pornography involved!
Do you understand that? Kissing is not pornography either!
The picture stays exactly where it is and you don't have to keep referring to it via links anymore in your posts either.
I'm from Denmark - so perhaps its in my nature to believe in "freedom of expression"?

Is this how you are in your everyday life too? That if someone walks over a red light, then they shouldn't get a fine or a warning, they should be put in jail immediately without a trial?
It seems you are so "anal retentive" (an American expression)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_retentive

This is not my first impression of you in these forums and I think you're a "nice guy" so I hope I'm wrong in my assumption?

Ozy, thanks for continually misspelling my name, I didnt know it COULD be misspelled so many times haha

Oh and its my real name too and no, I dont take offence......

Akos Janca · Post by **Akos Janca** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:41 pm

Hedegaard wrote:Just to make some things clear, I will not remove my original post in this thread, because its NOT offensive, its within reasonable limits, it has humour. Yes, I understood your polite request to remove it and I must politely refuse.

You have the right for that and I appreciate it.

Hedegaard wrote:I don't think this is an issue for Sharp. There is NO pornography involved! Do you understand that?

It seems ozy the one who doesn't understand that. He declared your post as "definitely some soft porn". Then he told he didn't tolerate homosexuality and vouyerism here - so he wanted the picture to be removed. I hope at least ozy has the right to think your picture is porn.

Hedegaard wrote:Kissing is not pornography either!

Absolutely. But you posted something more.

"couple of naughty gals" here
"Imagine if heregard (sic!) was a pervert" and "erotic pictures of lipstick pigs" here
"Ozy, haha, yes I will send them to your home address pronto and the 3 of you can discuss Ohm, wattage, Hz and headphone ratings in privacy" here

Hedegaard wrote:The picture stays exactly where it is...

If the rules of the forum allow it, yes, for sure. If the rules don't allow this then - regardless of your taste or my taste - this should be removed. Do you agree?

Hedegaard wrote:I'm from Denmark - so perhaps its in my nature to believe in "freedom of expression"?

Yes. And I have the right to not like this kind of expression. (Regardless of where I am from. Now I think Mars.

)

Hedegaard wrote:It seems you are so "anal retentive" (an American expression)

I hope it's not a porn term.

Hedegaard wrote:This is not my first impression of you in these forums and I think you're a "nice guy" so I hope I'm wrong in my assumption?

You are completely wrong.

AnthonyB · Post by **AnthonyB** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:02 pm

Click: Moderators are individuals

""""""""Moderators are individuals (or groups of individuals) whose job it is to look after the running of the forums from day to day. Generally moderators are there to prevent people going off-topic or posting abusive or offensive material."""""""""""

This thread went "off topic, and was abusive to other member(s) and "offensive"

Its there in the rules..

I find it offensive too. Not "kissing" as its described above, but homosexual/lesbians being posted on a Music keyboard forum.

Akos Janca · Post by **Akos Janca** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:10 pm

(Shortly answering my friends:)
No problem, David. We know each other.

Also hi, Dany! I'm sorry I was busy to answer to your kind greeting. Switzerland is very nice, indeed. Your family was very lucky to escape in the 50s. They were on a death list? Then they must be truly good people. My warmest regards.

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Dear all, sorry for the trouble here. I understand David's general feelings. I felt the same when I came to share valid experience related to the original question but I found (for me) offending content then saw someone hijacked the thread.

I like and appreciate this forum and I mention (in fact, "praise") it often in my articles or posts on other sites. Also when talking with other musicians. I'm proud of this place.

Please stop thinking I wanted to decide who is adult and who isn't. You know me, you know my activities here. I'm transparent, you know my name, you know my face. I have nothing to hide. I'm honest. I don't lie. I'm polite. Is that enough to trust me and to believe what I'm saying?

Don't worry, you are adults, so am I. As an adult husband and father I love my wife and my children. I'm proud of my family. All of us are gifted in music, graphic art, or photography.

I strongly believe in God (and I'm not a fanatic or freak at all). Next time maybe I will tell my story how he healed me from cancer.

I respect life, people, men and women, children.

I would feel bad and ashamed if they saw, if my friends saw, or if strangers saw that porn picture on my favourite forum. Children may also visit this site, for example. Don't you care?

The situation is clear. My point is that the mentioned picture:
1. is a lesbian soft porn act
2. is off topic
3. was found offending

The issue worths it. Because it's already not about that single miserable picture. Now the question is: even if only one member says something is offending for him for whatever (political, religious, sexual, racist) reason then should it be nobly removed? Or the majority decides in this case? Or the moderator? Where are the exact moderating rules of this forum for this situation?

God bless you, Anthony.

cello · Post by **cello** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:33 pm

Akos - I too want to lend support to the view that the picture was inappropriate - not in itself (I'm not a prude and I've been round the block more times than I care to remember!) - but not here, on a music/Korg/information exchange website.

Yes - I've got a sense of humour; and I see where the image can be viewed as humour (given context of the topic) - but it did feel 'not quite right' (no worse). I'm afraid I'm old enough to remember that there are juniors here on this forum and legally shouldn't really be able to view this TYPE of image - a parent may be happily thinking that KF is a safe place for their 14yr old to visit - it's a music/keyboard site isn't it?

So - I hope we shall not take offense with each other about whether the image itself is right or not right - offensive or not offensive - or what rights any of us have to like it or not; for me, it's about where it is. I think it is a little sad that the 'top of the tree' forum, where many youngsters may want to be able to contribute one day when they have enough money (ie OASYS - or whatever it is then!), is the very one that has something that they really shouldn't be seeing HERE (not somewhere else - but here). No matter what age we all are, as OASYS owners, don't we have at least some responsibility to show how to share information, have a laugh, learn, make a mistake and apologise, be respectful to others - whilst having fun?

That picture to some people is as offensive as me saying happy christmas on this forum - think about it. Hence why I won't do it. I can't even say happy holidays - not everyone has holidays at this time. Even Happy New Year is at a different time in China and in Russia (and others).

This forum is about knowledge exchange (specific to Korg) and I support Akos in highlighting that we should try and keep it that way. It's WAY TOO GOOD a forum and the people here are so knowledgeable and supportive - I've learned so much here; and the younger ones with their first Korg should be able to find encouragement and content appropriate for their purpose and desire; learning how to use their Korg better.

(PS I may be 46 and had Korgs for 28 years - but I'm still learning how to use Korgs better!)

Akos Janca · Post by **Akos Janca** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:49 pm

Where are the exact moderating rules of this forum for this situation? The answer is here and quite definite. When we registered at Korgforums we all agreed this:

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned (and your service provider being informed). The IP address of all posts is recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators of this forum have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should they see fit. As a user you agree to any information you have entered above being stored in a database.

...

By clicking Register below you agree to be bound by these conditions.

Sharp, will you please comment the situation in the light of the above regarding the problematic picture posted by Hedegaard.

Thank you.

ozy · Post by **ozy** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:21 pm

Herengaard is a criminal and should be hanged.

There, I said it.

Is it finally over now?

Herengard, please go Harakiri here. Now. Please. pulllleeeeeezeeee!

Come on, Herengard, be a good sport: light a bonfire and throw yourself on it.

Or at least please shoot me. Please. End this agony.

Oh, and, by the way: Merry Christmas to everybody. Let's cheer up.

Please?

t_tangent · Post by **t_tangent** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:10 am

Kind of reminds me of that old saying

LOOK, BE REASONABLE....SEE IT MY WAY

But seriously chaps...it's all getting rather boring now, and I think now might be a good time to start a new headphones thread minus the pictures, or else it will start all over again

And let's not forget, we are all members of a great forum and all owners of one of the best keyboards ever made, so let's just focus on that

Anyway, have a good one....whatever it is

AnthonyB · Post by **AnthonyB** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:43 am

t_tangent wrote:Kind of reminds me of that old saying

I think now might be a good time to start a new headphones thread minus the pictures, or else it will start all over again

Nope. If someone (the powers that be) annul or cancel out the required image et al, then we will be "minus the pictures" and can carry on THIS thread. No need to start another one. (plus perhaps some "post-tidying" pending.....)

I came into this thread looking for a new set of headphones (Sennheiser HD 650) http://www.sennheiser.co.uk/uk/home_en. ... 69_headset
and was wondering how they compare to the HD 580 i already have. I hear that the HD 650 have to be "burned-in" or something? (many hours of usage before they "peak").

AnthonyB