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Hooch Junior Member
Joined: 07 Oct 2011 Posts: 99 Location: Northern California USA
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 4:28 am Post subject: |
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Every pro sound company will see you have a guitar cable out of
your stuff an put a DI there for you to plug in to. Balanced or not.
Every FOH snake/monitor split is XLR. Every single one.
Otherwise it's break out adapters and figure out what will
work. Usually scratching heads ensue. And your last on
sound check.
Get your own DI if you want to have something consistent.
If you get something thats not Radial/Whirlwind/Countryman/Rapco it will
probably get used. Maybe not.
My 2 cents. Usually it's "Cool. Radial DI. Done."
John |
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DocBambs Full Member
Joined: 30 Sep 2011 Posts: 160 Location: UK - Midlands
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:47 am Post subject: |
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michelkeijzers wrote: | I normally use the DI box of the PA company, if they don't have one I use very cheap Behringer DI20's (cost about $25) and never had any problems with it. |
I have got through several DI20s as they have been a bit variable - they are good when they work as they have lots of features. I do have a working one in my kit box - in case of emergency. I would spend a little bit more and buy a decent make one. I can't see where you are based, but Orchid Electronics in the UK have just got a good review in Sound on Sound for their DI. You can phone them up to discuss your requirements rather than struggle through a web form and they ship anywhere.
http://www.orchid-electronics.co.uk/
DB
(N.B. I'm not affiliated to Orchid - they are ever so polite to me on the phone and the kit is always good!) |
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michelkeijzers Approved Merchant
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 9113 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:01 am Post subject: |
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DocBambs wrote: | michelkeijzers wrote: | I normally use the DI box of the PA company, if they don't have one I use very cheap Behringer DI20's (cost about $25) and never had any problems with it. |
I have got through several DI20s as they have been a bit variable - they are good when they work as they have lots of features. I do have a working one in my kit box - in case of emergency. I would spend a little bit more and buy a decent make one. I can't see where you are based, but Orchid Electronics in the UK have just got a good review in Sound on Sound for their DI. You can phone them up to discuss your requirements rather than struggle through a web form and they ship anywhere.
http://www.orchid-electronics.co.uk/
DB
(N.B. I'm not affiliated to Orchid - they are ever so polite to me on the phone and the kit is always good!) |
Thanks for the info, however I just checked and it cannot be bought from thomann (whereI like to buy my stuff). Transport costs from England are very high, but probably UK owners can use this post as info. _________________
Developer of the free PCG file managing application for most Korg workstations: PCG Tools, see https://www.kronoshaven.com/pcgtools/ |
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alanjpearson Senior Member
Joined: 21 Feb 2012 Posts: 283
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EnjoyRC Platinum Member
Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 746 Location: John 3:16
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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NuSkoolTone wrote: | Not necessary for my needs live, but I use the Radial JDI duplex for recording with great results. |
Radial DIs that I utilize:
Radial ProD2 - Stereo DI, Basically acts as 2 DI's since most PA's are MONO
Radial AV2 - Similar to above but has additional jacks for multimedia devices
Radial JDI - Used as a Stereo to Mono DI for Analog synths. Most Korg keyboards automatically join L/R to MONO if only using the Left Output. But many analog type synths don't. Examples; Virus, UltraNova, DSI Tempest, etc... don't. If you only use the left output, you loose half the signal. So stereo panning patches suffer greatly. So the JDI will merge the left/right to a mono signal. (Don't use a Y cable!) _________________
Korg (Kronos 88, RK-100S 2), Behringer DeepMind 12, Roland (GAIA, A-800-Pro) |
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keyplayer14 Full Member
Joined: 20 May 2011 Posts: 160 Location: Exeter
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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DocBambs wrote: | michelkeijzers wrote: | I normally use the DI box of the PA company, if they don't have one I use very cheap Behringer DI20's (cost about $25) and never had any problems with it. |
I have got through several DI20s as they have been a bit variable - they are good when they work as they have lots of features. I do have a working one in my kit box - in case of emergency. I would spend a little bit more and buy a decent make one. I can't see where you are based, but Orchid Electronics in the UK have just got a good review in Sound on Sound for their DI. You can phone them up to discuss your requirements rather than struggle through a web form and they ship anywhere.
http://www.orchid-electronics.co.uk/
DB
(N.B. I'm not affiliated to Orchid - they are ever so polite to me on the phone and the kit is always good!) |
I'm not affiliated either but I only live round the corner from them and I've used their products floor years, so I can vouch for the quality of these DI's! They also make up all of my leads and cabling. John ( the main man ) is a very helpful and friendly guy. _________________ Korg Kronos 88, Trinity Plus, Wavestation SR, X5D, M1
Roland RD 700, V-Synth GT, Jupiter 80, JV 1080
Akai MPD32, Cubase 5, NI Komplete, Spectrasonics Omnisphere, Stylus RMX |
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music_avijeet Junior Member
Joined: 18 Jan 2012 Posts: 57
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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Hooch wrote: | Every pro sound company will see you have a guitar cable out of
your stuff an put a DI there for you to plug in to. Balanced or not.
Every FOH snake/monitor split is XLR. Every single one.
Otherwise it's break out adapters and figure out what will
work. Usually scratching heads ensue. And your last on
sound check.
Get your own DI if you want to have something consistent.
If you get something thats not Radial/Whirlwind/Countryman/Rapco it will
probably get used. Maybe not.
My 2 cents. Usually it's "Cool. Radial DI. Done."
John |
Some of the smaller ones for the smaller shows (budget wise) don't really have sufficient DIs. I'll probably purchase and keep my own and keep them just to be on the safe side. _________________ Motif XF7 + Kronos 61 mounted on a K&M Spider Pro! Bliss! |
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SanderXpander Platinum Member
Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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I use a small A&H mixer with XLR outs for smaller venues. It doesn't mind phantom much, and it has a 30db pad switch, if not a ground lift. Lets me do my own monitor mix though, and sum to the FOH, plus it has a few mic channels and a decent verb for duo or trio gigs.
Usually when they really need the boards separately, they're large venues with plenty of channels and DIs anyways. |
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michelkeijzers Approved Merchant
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 9113 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 10:02 am Post subject: |
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SanderXpander wrote: | I use a small A&H mixer with XLR outs for smaller venues. It doesn't mind phantom much, and it has a 30db pad switch, if not a ground lift. Lets me do my own monitor mix though, and sum to the FOH, plus it has a few mic channels and a decent verb for duo or trio gigs.
Usually when they really need the boards separately, they're large venues with plenty of channels and DIs anyways. |
I also used to use a mixer, but I can do anything with the 2 outputs of the Kronos now sparing out a separate mixer. _________________
Developer of the free PCG file managing application for most Korg workstations: PCG Tools, see https://www.kronoshaven.com/pcgtools/ |
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mathieumaes Senior Member
Joined: 10 Dec 2011 Posts: 430
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 11:15 am Post subject: |
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I have a rack softbag which I used on stage. It contains a Behringer 16 channels rack mixer, a wireless receiver and a 4 channel Behringer DI rack. The PA guy only needs to plug his XLR cables into my DI's in the bag.
In my old setup I had 4 different instruments that produce sounds, now I have just the Kronos and the wireless receiver. I'm considering hooking up the receiver into an input of the Kronos, so I no longer need a mixer.
My new band is slightly more professional, so I don't think having DI's is my responsability anymore... _________________ Old gig setup: Yamaha S90, Roland Fantom XR, Hammond XM-1, M-Audio Axiom 61
2011 gig setup: Korg Kronos 88 |
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Sanrek
Joined: 25 Apr 2012 Posts: 26 Location: France
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Like the OP (and some others) I'm currently trying to figure a bit what I really need to get things done in the right way.
...and I'm having a hard time with it, here is the situation.
When I play with my band, we can have two configurations:
Situation 1 - Small-medium gigs: We use our own main mixer, with Kronos main L/R & Aux 1/2 TRS jack balanced line out -> Mixer stereo line inputs pairs (TRS jack balanced, while having TRS to XLR and vice-versa cables to deal with the snake)
Situation 2 - Big gigs: Here we have the usual PA guys and a XLR snake going to the main mixer (mic level).
So far it seems that for the first case, as the Kronos outputs are already balanced and having to stay with line levels, I would only need to add a line isolatior to avoid the eventual humming problems.
(something like 2x: http://www.radialeng.com/r2011/twiniso.php )
But for the second one, I would need a real DI box to go down to mic level as well, so a http://www.radialeng.com/r2011/prod2.php or http://www.radialeng.com/r2011/jdiduplex.php )
(Yeah I know PA guys are supposed to provide DIs, but with one of my biggest show ruined because of a cheap DI failing in the middle of it (oops...no main synth anymore...at the 2nd song), I prefer to be sure of my gear ) _________________ Synths / Samplers: Korg Kronos 61, Roland RD-700 NX, Yamaha Motif 7, E-MU E-Synth Ultra
Vintage: Moog Music Sonic Six, Casio CZ-01
Software: Steinberg MR816x - Core i7 2600 - 16Go Ram / Cubase 6 / East West Complete Composer Collection, Ministry of Rock, etc... |
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jeremykeys Platinum Member
Joined: 19 Jun 2011 Posts: 3092 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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A D.I. box also enables you to split your signal so that is you are using your own monitor system you can use the same output jacks of you keyboard. You usually have 2 or 4 sets of outputs. 2 if you have a mono D.I. 1/4 inch for your own system and XLR for the house system. _________________ If music is the food of love, play on and play loud!
Gear: Kronos 73, Triton Pro-X, Wavestation EX, Polysix, King Korg, Monotron and Monotron Duo, Minikorg, Moog Grandmother, 1 Roland U-20, Hammond M3, 4 acoustic and 6 electric guitars, 1 Ibanez 5 string bass, a bunch of microphones and other very cool toys, 1 wife and 3 cats! |
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michelkeijzers Approved Merchant
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 9113 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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jeremykeys wrote: | A D.I. box also enables you to split your signal so that is you are using your own monitor system you can use the same output jacks of you keyboard. You usually have 2 or 4 sets of outputs. 2 if you have a mono D.I. 1/4 inch for your own system and XLR for the house system. |
Not always for this reason, I use the outputs of my monitors to forward the signal to the PA and sometimes a DI box is necessary to remove the hum or even unblocking the signal on my monitors in case fantom power is added (due to cheap mixers). _________________
Developer of the free PCG file managing application for most Korg workstations: PCG Tools, see https://www.kronoshaven.com/pcgtools/ |
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jeremykeys Platinum Member
Joined: 19 Jun 2011 Posts: 3092 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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You're right about that but I've always used a D.I. to get into the P.A. if I'm only using 1 keyboard. My monitor system is mono so if I want stereo in the P.A. i have to go with a D.I. Plus, I like the safety factor of having a transformer between me and somebody else's gear. I'm using an old Whirlwind passive D.I. I've had it for years and so far it has never failed me although I'm seriously thinking about a Radial box now. They sound fantastic in that they don't colour your sound at all. _________________ If music is the food of love, play on and play loud!
Gear: Kronos 73, Triton Pro-X, Wavestation EX, Polysix, King Korg, Monotron and Monotron Duo, Minikorg, Moog Grandmother, 1 Roland U-20, Hammond M3, 4 acoustic and 6 electric guitars, 1 Ibanez 5 string bass, a bunch of microphones and other very cool toys, 1 wife and 3 cats! |
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