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Kronos bug? or correct Rhodes implementation?

 
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Ginox



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:11 am    Post subject: Kronos bug? or correct Rhodes implementation? Reply with quote

Hello!

I'm trying to modify the "eg release" value of some of the E. Piano programs but nothing happens

For example:
I-A018: EP Mark I PreAmp&Cabinet


I'd like to extend the release time of the notes, but I can't.

So... is this a normal implementation of the rhodes programs? or it's a Korg Kronos bug? I have no experience in rhodes pianos, so that's why I'm asking...

Thanks!
Gino

PD: I'm using firmware 1.5.0
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

somebody correct me if I'm wrong, if E.P.s are anything like the grand piano's synthesis engine, Korg sampled the sounds from beginning to end without any looping. so I doubt there is any way to make the release portion any longer. you might have some luck with the dx style pianos, if they are coming from the fm synthesis engine.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are a combination of modeling and sampling, not unlooped samples like SGX-1. Haven't tried to change EG on them myself though. Try the modeling page maybe? As opposed to the EG page?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no the rhodes (EP-1) is not unlooped... i notice this when i played through some EP-1 patches, the disk light won't beep (as it does while i play SGX-1 Piano)...

to extend the release time (when pressing the damper pedal), go to EXI tab, and go to oscillator tab.. on the "harmonic sound" box, look at decay parameter, then try to increase it

to extend the release time (while not pressing the damper pedal), on the same page, try to increase the release parameter there...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1jordyzzz wrote:
no the rhodes (EP-1) is not unlooped... i notice this when i played through some EP-1 patches, the disk light won't beep (as it does while i play SGX-1 Piano)...


This does not mean everything; maybe the complete samples are loaded but not yet played. Meaning that the samples can be loaded completely very fast, and the unlooped sample is played while the sample is already loaded.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well i think it's still looped, because you can change the release parameter... unlike SGX... SGX play samples until the end of it.. you cannot change or extend the release time...

lets assume that it's unlooped, and 3 velocity layer sampled... to load all those samples (6 types of EP ???) to the ram would require at least 2-3 gigabytes???
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This topic begs the question... Even with a damper pedal connected, and set up to act as a damper pedal, it will actually function as a sustain pedal, holding the sustain level of patches that have this parameter (synths, strings, horns, etc). Pianos and percussion instruments do not have a sustain portion. So when you press a sustain pedal on a piano patch, how is the Kronos handling the envelope to create the release portion? Are we hearing the release portion, or is it a continuation of the initial decay. Some graphics for this concept would be nice.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1jordyzzz wrote:
well i think it's still looped, because you can change the release parameter... unlike SGX... SGX play samples until the end of it.. you cannot change or extend the release time...

lets assume that it's unlooped, and 3 velocity layer sampled... to load all those samples (6 types of EP ???) to the ram would require at least 2-3 gigabytes???


It's not a standard sampling engine, tt's a combination of sampling and modeling. Could be the sustain portion is actually synthesized from the parameters and the initial attack sample. No way to know without more info from Korg. But why do you care at all? It sounds great, doesn't it?
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