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Ginox
Joined: 03 Jul 2012 Posts: 1
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:11 am Post subject: Kronos bug? or correct Rhodes implementation? |
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Hello!
I'm trying to modify the "eg release" value of some of the E. Piano programs but nothing happens
For example:
I-A018: EP Mark I PreAmp&Cabinet
I'd like to extend the release time of the notes, but I can't.
So... is this a normal implementation of the rhodes programs? or it's a Korg Kronos bug? I have no experience in rhodes pianos, so that's why I'm asking...
Thanks!
Gino
PD: I'm using firmware 1.5.0 |
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ronnfigg Platinum Member
Joined: 26 Mar 2011 Posts: 2141 Location: CA
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:39 am Post subject: |
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somebody correct me if I'm wrong, if E.P.s are anything like the grand piano's synthesis engine, Korg sampled the sounds from beginning to end without any looping. so I doubt there is any way to make the release portion any longer. you might have some luck with the dx style pianos, if they are coming from the fm synthesis engine. _________________ "To me the synthesizer was always a source of new sounds that musicians could use to expand the range of possibilities for making music."
Bob Moog |
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SanderXpander Platinum Member
Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:56 am Post subject: |
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They are a combination of modeling and sampling, not unlooped samples like SGX-1. Haven't tried to change EG on them myself though. Try the modeling page maybe? As opposed to the EG page? |
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1jordyzzz Platinum Member
Joined: 03 Mar 2012 Posts: 688 Location: Indonesia
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:52 am Post subject: |
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no the rhodes (EP-1) is not unlooped... i notice this when i played through some EP-1 patches, the disk light won't beep (as it does while i play SGX-1 Piano)...
to extend the release time (when pressing the damper pedal), go to EXI tab, and go to oscillator tab.. on the "harmonic sound" box, look at decay parameter, then try to increase it
to extend the release time (while not pressing the damper pedal), on the same page, try to increase the release parameter there... _________________ Love my kronos 88
Love my yamaha psr s910 as well
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michelkeijzers Approved Merchant
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 9113 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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1jordyzzz wrote: | no the rhodes (EP-1) is not unlooped... i notice this when i played through some EP-1 patches, the disk light won't beep (as it does while i play SGX-1 Piano)...
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This does not mean everything; maybe the complete samples are loaded but not yet played. Meaning that the samples can be loaded completely very fast, and the unlooped sample is played while the sample is already loaded. _________________
Developer of the free PCG file managing application for most Korg workstations: PCG Tools, see https://www.kronoshaven.com/pcgtools/ |
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1jordyzzz Platinum Member
Joined: 03 Mar 2012 Posts: 688 Location: Indonesia
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:42 am Post subject: |
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well i think it's still looped, because you can change the release parameter... unlike SGX... SGX play samples until the end of it.. you cannot change or extend the release time...
lets assume that it's unlooped, and 3 velocity layer sampled... to load all those samples (6 types of EP ???) to the ram would require at least 2-3 gigabytes??? _________________ Love my kronos 88
Love my yamaha psr s910 as well
Korg Kronos 88, Yamaha PSR s910, Korg C720, Yamaha DTX 520, Focusrite Scarlett 18i6, a pair of Yamaha HS80 in (soon not to be) an unproperly treated room.. |
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ronnfigg Platinum Member
Joined: 26 Mar 2011 Posts: 2141 Location: CA
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:56 am Post subject: |
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This topic begs the question... Even with a damper pedal connected, and set up to act as a damper pedal, it will actually function as a sustain pedal, holding the sustain level of patches that have this parameter (synths, strings, horns, etc). Pianos and percussion instruments do not have a sustain portion. So when you press a sustain pedal on a piano patch, how is the Kronos handling the envelope to create the release portion? Are we hearing the release portion, or is it a continuation of the initial decay. Some graphics for this concept would be nice. _________________ "To me the synthesizer was always a source of new sounds that musicians could use to expand the range of possibilities for making music."
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SanderXpander Platinum Member
Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:40 am Post subject: |
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1jordyzzz wrote: | well i think it's still looped, because you can change the release parameter... unlike SGX... SGX play samples until the end of it.. you cannot change or extend the release time...
lets assume that it's unlooped, and 3 velocity layer sampled... to load all those samples (6 types of EP ???) to the ram would require at least 2-3 gigabytes??? |
It's not a standard sampling engine, tt's a combination of sampling and modeling. Could be the sustain portion is actually synthesized from the parameters and the initial attack sample. No way to know without more info from Korg. But why do you care at all? It sounds great, doesn't it? |
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