KORG - Support your customers

[nickt_123]

I don't know if anyone from Korg reads the post in these forums but I hope they do.

Well, we have been wowed by the release of the G2 or have we? I spent a while yesterday watching some of the product demos in UK outlets and have to say they were not very good at all. For the majority there was one UK rep giving a demo but in practice all he did was play styles and intros for about 15 mins enthusing just how great it was. He did 'fiddle' once with the sliders and mentioned about the LED indicators and mentioned a couple of other items such as 'we now have a button for this' but to be honest I thought they were appalling. He briefly mentioned about the new angled integrated screen and said it was great and 'we dont need tilting screens do we? Well actually I think we do and I'm sure others will agree too.

After watching the various demos I went back to my PA5x and spent a while going over many of the things it can do and I kinda fell in love with it again! Its easy to be seduced by other brands and I have owned a few over the year but at the moment I personally think the pa5x is far superior.

Now, onto KORG as a company - there are still things to sort out which will hopefully be fixed with future upgrades, but the one thing that really impressed my with Yamaha is that they give away a free midi song to style creator. Good or bad, I imagine the end quality depends on the quality of the original midi file and the competency of the user. I like to play styles and an ability to knock up a half decent style within a few minutes has got to be big bonus.

At some time in the future, we are expecting midi to style from Korg but if they were to do something like Yamaha and released an app for win and Mac that also covered all PA arrangers then I personally think they would probably gain back customer confidence and maybe slow down the rate at which some Korg users are off-loading their very capable keyboards in favour os something not quite as technically advanced.

It also doesn't help when, in the UK, prices for new PA5x have been slashed which plays directly into the hands of dealers who benefit from offering reduced trade-in prices against a G2 so its skewed the market a bit, left PA5x owners wondering what the hell is going on here.

Let's hope things improve and Korg wake up and deliver what should have been delivered from day 1.

[SpOoNmAn]

I'm nabbing a Pa5x soon, and I've been enlightened by all the posts I've been reading.

In regards to your post, I heard prices were slashed everywhere except the U.S.

Very odd, the only reason I can come up with is that they are selling well enough here to not warrant a price drop. I miss the arranger scene dearly so its time to jump back in. I also hope Korg gets their head in the game and rolls out better updates/features. I've never spent this much on 1 board b4. To have issues is going to irritate me, but I know it'll be worthwhile in the long run.

[Biggles]

I for one do not care about trade in prices.

The 5X was way overpriced to start off with.

Now a 61 is £2950

A 76 is £3200

An 88 is £3350

Still more than they should be especially when compared to the prices a new 4X were.

When the 76 drops below £3000 then I may take a punt.

[Asena]

I don't know if anyone from Korg reads the post in these forums but I hope they do.

Well, we have been wowed by the release of the G2 or have we? I spent a while yesterday watching some of the product demos in UK outlets and have to say they were not very good at all. For the majority there was one UK rep giving a demo but in practice all he did was play styles and intros for about 15 mins enthusing just how great it was. He did 'fiddle' once with the sliders and mentioned about the LED indicators and mentioned a couple of other items such as 'we now have a button for this' but to be honest I thought they were appalling. He briefly mentioned about the new angled integrated screen and said it was great and 'we dont need tilting screens do we? Well actually I think we do and I'm sure others will agree too.

After watching the various demos I went back to my PA5x and spent a while going over many of the things it can do and I kinda fell in love with it again! Its easy to be seduced by other brands and I have owned a few over the year but at the moment I personally think the pa5x is far superior.

Now, onto KORG as a company - there are still things to sort out which will hopefully be fixed with future upgrades, but the one thing that really impressed my with Yamaha is that they give away a free midi song to style creator. Good or bad, I imagine the end quality depends on the quality of the original midi file and the competency of the user. I like to play styles and an ability to knock up a half decent style within a few minutes has got to be big bonus.

At some time in the future, we are expecting midi to style from Korg but if they were to do something like Yamaha and released an app for win and Mac that also covered all PA arrangers then I personally think they would probably gain back customer confidence and maybe slow down the rate at which some Korg users are off-loading their very capable keyboards in favour os something not quite as technically advanced.

It also doesn't help when, in the UK, prices for new PA5x have been slashed which plays directly into the hands of dealers who benefit from offering reduced trade-in prices against a G2 so its skewed the market a bit, left PA5x owners wondering what the hell is going on here.

Let's hope things improve and Korg wake up and deliver what should have been delivered from day 1.

Great Post
Well, its much better if KORG can give us users something like YAMAHA s MIDI STYLE CREATOR, indeed.

In so many years we have asked for this kind of PC/MAC programs, and YAMAHA made this for users for free.
Just imagine, if you can create things on your PC,MAC and organise all, Samples , Styles and more.

WOW that would be amazingly handy and creative.

[sch]

Everybody has an interested in making a great product even better, and the Korg pa5x IS a really great product... We now need:

1) Better functions, and Korg has promised us to make some future updates, that gives us at least all what the Pa4x has, plus something more.... Love that and waiting impatient

2) Better sounds, and Global Sound are delivering here, giving us a new and fantastic world of sounds on a high level to fair prices...

3) More high quality styles, and here we have seen Yamaha giving the World A FREE piece of Software, the transform midi-files to Yamaha styles.... Now something like that for Korg pa5x styles should now be a relativly easy challenge for either Korg, or some clever programmer close to Korg....????

Let us make the Korg pa5x the World-leading keyboard

[Pekilik]

First of all, Korg needs to fix some things like the bug that when entering the user scale, the scale window automatically returns to the C scale,

it happens that sometimes if you go from style to style without stopping, the next style starts from the third beat in the measure and thus moves the whole style by half a measure and only the functioning of the Fill ins,

Something that I don't like is the functioning of the styler itself, because a way was taken that was specific to Yamaha, that is, if we press Fill in on the third beat, the styler plays Bass and Drums from Fill in, and all Acc tracks from the variation, that it hasn't worked like that on any Korg in the past since the Pa4, then whenever you press Fill In it will play all the tracks recorded in the Fill In immediately, why do we even record them in the Fill Ins if they won't be played when we want it, Korg us can be given as an option in the style to choose whether we want the Acc tracks to start immediately when we press Fill in in any part of the measure or to leave it as it is now that the Acc tracks continue from the variation if we press Fill in after the second beat,

one more thing is not difficult for Korg to allow and it can be very good for working with styles and that is something that Korg has already implemented in Ending 3 and that is the immediate option we need it for all three Intros and for all three Endings , it will further improve the liveliness of the style because in that case the Intros can be used as fill ins, you will agree that 4 fill ins is too small and only one break, for a modern arranger to sound like a live band he must have more Fill ins that will make it more beautiful,

one small suggestion for the future is that within the number of parts we can have user parts, e.g. if we want to have 6 variations and 8 fill ins in the places where we want, we can do it, not be limited by having 3 intro/endings, 4 variations break and 4 fill ins, but within these 15 buttons we have parts that we want, I know it's a big departure from tradition and it will be difficult for Korg to allow it, but it's a good proposal....

[ckobu]

Song MIDI to Style is great, but this is not the first time that Yamaha has gifted software to customers. In the past, each of these packs cost 100-150 euros, today they are all available for free.
https://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/conte ... index.html

For example, Chor Tracker is free and can easily create a MIDI file from an audio file. Many Yamaha players don't even know it exists and how effective it is.
https://youtu.be/92aYTdA7tp8?si=p_4H9gAHfgqC1zzK

Well, let's say, USB audio recording is finally built into Genos2. My old KN700 from 2000 had that.
https://youtu.be/B1uPy9rSTKg?si=1S9d-QNgZT7i0SH8

I hope you don't misunderstand me because I don't just want to praise Yamaha. There is a lot to complain about. I wish every manufacturer, Korg, Ketron or Yamaha would produce a good instrument and satisfy the wishes of their users.

[chelsea4023]

Hi ckobu,
You are spot on about the Genos 2, Yamaha have made an excellent arranger that will sell far more units than Korg will of the PA5X. For a start, the O/S appears to be stable and doing exactly what it should do.
If any Korg Forum Members do not like the Genos 2, then that's fine. I am a Korg fan and will always buy Korg. That does not make Yamaha products rubbish, and I would not take much notice of disparaging comments towards the Genos 2. One criticism I would definitely aim at the Genos 2 though is the price. Yamaha are ripping off their loyal fanbase.
Chris

[ckobu]

Hi Chris,
you said exactly what I was thinking. I also agree that the price of Genos2 is very high. Arranger musicians should be on the same page and respect each other, and at the same time we have to ask the manufacturers to offer us the best they can.

[iOpus]

Hi Chris,
I also agree that the price of Genos2 is very high..

Seen from our case. Korg charged us a huge price for an unfinished product that we are still developing and discovering. Yamaha would be foolish not to charge accordingly for their final product.

[Gunnar J]

Hi Chris,
you said exactly what I was thinking. I also agree that the price of Genos2 is very high. Arranger musicians should be on the same page and respect each other, and at the same time we have to ask the manufacturers to offer us the best they can.

Agree fully with both you and Chris !

[Biggles]

Hi Chris,
you said exactly what I was thinking. I also agree that the price of Genos2 is very high. Arranger musicians should be on the same page and respect each other, and at the same time we have to ask the manufacturers to offer us the best they can.

£4000 is stupid money to pay.

[Asena]

Hello K F

I think the Genos 2 is little to much, what I mean is in any aspects.
Price
What it offers
How it looks
And more.

I agree with you on the other side of the coin.
It’s a finished product with an excellent OS that works and you don’t need to worry about that freezing thing like KORG.

But Korg is KORG, I hope they can address the issues.
I love the sound quality and the way we can create things on it.
But I miss things from other Pa series that I was in love with

[worth]

Until korg actually make a successor keyboard that is as least as fully featured and functional as the pa4x , then I won’t be buying another korg , no matter the price, let alone the extortionate prices they are currently charging for the incomplete mess on offer .