Sample SLOT 15k limit - Please KORG increase it

[kleant]

I know this has been discussed and asked in the past however as showing in the photos my sample slots have filled up with no more than 470Mb SET and a preload buffer not more than 118Mb so basically now I'm stuck at what I have with more than half space of Sample and Preload buffer RAM not available to use. (Not mentioning the Extra user bank slots which are empty)




In my experience no matter how careful you are if you merge sets, sample and styles from different sources and if you have styles which have a lot of real drum samples sooner or later the 15k slot will get filled even if your set is no more than 400-500Mb. So basically 1.5Gb space is useless unless you can have more slot space and increase the sample slot number.

Now the "pro" forum gurus will argue that their "pro" commercial set is 1.5Gb with sample slots under the 15k limit which is great for them but I really don't care about their sets because I'm an ordinary musician which I want my own set to use the 1.5Gb space limit. So far no matter how I try to go around it I cant load more than 500Mb.

First solution which hopefully Korg will impress us again is to increase the RAM slot number from my opinion with my testing at least the number should be double since an average user(which I'm thinking about my self) will fill the 15k with no more than 500Mb so for 1.5Gb the number for available RAM slot should be at least 30k to be able to use freely this space without going in to much hassle of "professional" programming and sample management.

Second solution is for the OS somehow to identify automatically duplicate samples and delete and sort/reassembly them to lower number Sample Slots which I don't think will be possible at least for the current Next OS.

Third is for the user to identify manually duplicate samples which in real world its not impossible but its a pain taking a very very very long time to go through 15k RAM Slots and identify each sample and sort/reassembly manually each drum and sounds. My guess will take 6 months or more to go through 15k RAM slots manually each one which is not practical.

That's why I think the first solution is better than all and at least will give us a closure on the PA4X potentials at least to use the 1.5Gb space as a normal user. I really hope Korg will go down this path and increase the sample SLOT number.

[korg1]

We all hope so,same problem here

[AntonySharmman]

I don't know how you have managed to fill samples slots without filling up preload buffer size that usually happens , but your main issue there ,
as have discussed many times , is the extensive number of time sliced loops.
As a solution try to get rid of some of them , do not use time sliced audio with over 4 measurements that waste hundreds of samples positions
and also try not to not load internet poor loops and DIY.

[kleant]

I understand what you are saying however as a normal average user sometimes I use styles or samples from other sets commercial or free ones I have tried them all but that's not the point.

What I'm trying to say is that with 1.5Gb space the RAM slot number should be bigger at least double the 15k limit because as in my position explained above no matter how carefully you are going to be still will get filled up and by the time you realise its to late because you have run out of slot even if you have lots of memory still available. I don't want to delete old samples to make room for the new ones that's impractical, and creating someone else styles or samples from beginning is impractical as well will take a lot of time and still I think will not solve the problem.

I'm going to get angry reactions by saying this but imp starting to think that this is even a bigger problem than the other bugs previously found because you cant use the 1.5Gb memory which is advertised for you by using your PX4X as normal, probably KORG have biten more than they can chew this time Time will tell.

[Aripearlmusic]

Honestly i can't wait until korg gets rid of the time slice option entirely and focuses more on upgrading the menus for control change editing utilities which I've heard talk that they are doing just that. Next thing would be to shorten the longest sample limit down to 6 seconds or less and upgrade the release layer options, add a click and drag option into the sample editor for those that still edit them on the keyboard, add a multiselect option in the sample list so you can normalize many at a time and revert to original, add copy and paste for multiple oscillators, add a batch rename for sounds and samples and copy and paste for text.

[kleant]

Aripearlmusic although i agree with you on the upgrading part editing etc.. I dont agree with the getting rid of the time slice that will not fix the problem and will not help anybody just its a step back on the wrong direction.

There are some who use this feature porly and probably not needed but I have seen & heard some other ones who have created some amazing great styles with it however still this is not the problem on the use of time slice or other functions of the keyboard the problem really is simple the RAM SLOTS will get filled very quick with 1.5Gb Ram available and probably as in my case even before reaching 500Mb.

So a normal average user I don't think stand a chance but even a professional will have to spend a lot/lot/lot of time sorting out samples to use the 1.5Gb space available. I can understand I ran out of RAM as in previous models PA3X etc but running out of sample slots this i think is a problem which need addressing which will be better for all of us.

[Aripearlmusic]

Ive heard tens of thousands of loops and time sliced never sounds better than when it's programmed properly from scratch. Programmers who know what they are doing dont need it at all. Its only the guys who don't know sound mode or dont use a DAW to add the automation that are taking time slice shortcuts and their sound is suffering because it.

[Korghelper]

The only dissenting voices on this thread are the people trying to sell their own wares and programming.

Bottom line, only someone with an agenda thinks that there's nothing wrong with the current system (unless it ever presents THEM with a brick wall!). The rest of us, who have nothing to lose by Korg making timesliced loops a more practical alternative seem to think it is a great idea...

Me, I tend to be a bit skeptical about the opinions of someone who is trying to sell me something different to what I actually want.

There is a massive library of REX loops available, with far greater choice and range than the naysayers offer, and I for one would be very happy to see Korg, with a seemingly minor change to the OS, make them more easily used in the sampler. It's not that well programmed sampled kits can't be programmed to be as good sounding as timesliced loops. It is simply that a tiny, minuscule selection of styles and rhythms is available from these people. If I want zydeco rhythms, some authentic scrub-board or spoons loops, where are they? If I want 60's ska or reggae loops, where are they? If I want Nigerian percussion loops, where are they?

The guys telling us that we don't need and shouldn't want timesliced capabilities sure don't have them... but they are available in audio form. And if it weren't for this arbitrary sample number restriction, we could be using them. So all in all, it would be nice if Korg could help us out. And even nicer that those with a commercial agenda would acknowledge that...

[Aripearlmusic]

The samples are available to create the same sound as any of those loops just like the midi versions are. If you can't program the same thing the regular way and are relying on loops you should spend time learning how to program rather than complain the same thing for months at a time.

[Korghelper]

Perhaps YOUR huge ego thinks that you can program Nigerian ethnic percussion loops as well as actual Nigerians. Or know the subtleties of ska and reggae drumming and have the exact kit sounds and rooms they record in... Or even know what the hell zydeco is!

Me, I am not so oblivious to genuine talent. If you think you can program loops better than the best percussionists and drummers, recorded with the best gear in great studios, what the hell are you wasting your time on an arranger forum for?

Pastiche is NOT good enough. I want the genuine thing, and can get it in audio loop form. So please, check your ego at the door, acknowledge that there MIGHT be someone, somewhere who MIGHT possibly be able to play something better than you. And let those of us who already know that get on with requesting Korg for a feature I'm pretty sure you will use once it is provided.

Or are you willing to amuse us with YOUR attempts at programming in those styles? Come on, I need a laugh..! Post up a nice zydeco scrubboard rhythm performed on the Korg's resources. Maybe some nice talking drums. How about a nice Sly Dunbar one drop? Because I already have great loops of those.

Looking forward to it.

[Aripearlmusic]

I can program those styles using less than 50 samples with the exception of the Nigerian ethnic loops because that's not specific enough to tell me what percussion instrument or groove considering how many they use. Yes im familiar with ska and reggae and zydeco. Not sure why you think One Drop is so interesting i actually found it to be one the most musically bland pieces I've ever heard. I spend time on the forums to relax and read the comments. I'm sorry that you think i have an ego because I'm working full time as a keyboard programmer and sampler but maybe if you spent less time complaining about things that have better alternatives and more time actually working maybe you can do the same thing. I love having competition that keeps me on my toes so good luck.