Triton Extreme + Moss BUG. ANY NEWS FROM KORG?

korg_nikos · Post by **korg_nikos** » Mon May 21, 2007 1:44 pm

Hi all,

I am writin this question to anyone who owns extreme with moss option installed. Please try the following steps.

1. Go to program mode and select a moss program (bank F)
2. Go to global midi page and set Convert Position to "Post Midi"
3. Then go to global general page and try to transpose the program. (set key tanspose to +1)
4. What do you get? Is the program transposed by +1 or actually by +2?
5. Try to transpose by +2. What do you get? Is it transposed by +2 or actually by +4?

Please make sure that you have selected a moss program and have set Convert Position to Post Midi (not Pre midi)

Please let me know of your comments.

Regards

asafar · Post by **asafar** » Tue May 22, 2007 3:20 pm

You are correct and Korg should have fixed this bug long time ago I mean how the hell are you going to use the Transpose function (Master Key Shift) if the Moss translates a -1 to a whole tone.

korg_nikos · Post by **korg_nikos** » Tue May 22, 2007 3:29 pm

Just to keep the thread on top.

Could somebody help ?

Thanks

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Tue May 22, 2007 3:36 pm

I talked to KORG support yestrday, they werent even aware of it, the guy
just took my phone number that he will call me back and i know he never will.
Nikos dont panic, every synth has that problem.

korg_nikos · Post by **korg_nikos** » Tue May 22, 2007 3:41 pm

Thanks for your reply.

Do you have also problems when transposing moss programs using scales?

Root key of the arabic scale for example is not transposed after key transpose even if you set midi convert position to post-midi. (this is how it works with all other non moss programs).

That means that if you transpose the moss program the root key of the scale doesnt follow and the scale doesnt respond to the transposition. The result is that the scale actually is not the one you had initially selected. Root Key is not transposed and this means that you actually are on a different scale. You have to manually set the key root again in the desired note every time you transpose.

Regards

korg_nikos · Post by **korg_nikos** » Tue May 22, 2007 3:47 pm

I also called the local agent company of korg in Greece and guess what.

They were also unaware of this!

Moreover they told me to take the moss module over there since they have not any other to test it with.

Thank you for your help.

dimitris · Post by **dimitris** » Tue May 22, 2007 4:21 pm

Hello Nikos,

I also have that problem! It's definetely a bug!!

Regards,
Dimitris

dimitris · Post by **dimitris** » Mon May 28, 2007 4:04 pm

It seems that Korg don't even take a look in this section!!

Post by **mikemolloyuk** » Tue May 29, 2007 10:28 am

Hi Dimitris

From Korg UK.....!!

M

dimitris · Post by **dimitris** » Tue May 29, 2007 5:03 pm

Thanks, God!! Hello KORG UK!!! We would really appreciate your precious opinion in this matter.

Thanks,
Dimitris

Post by **mikemolloyuk** » Wed May 30, 2007 8:51 am

Hi Dimitris, Nikos and all.

I have had a look at this on my Extreme with a MOSS board fitted and indeed you are right it does do this in post midi mode only.

The obvious answer to avoid getting +2 rather than +1 is to use it in pre midi mode and the transpose is correct.

I'm not aware that this is a bug; it might be a deliberate act on the programmer’s part. We have to give the Japanese programmers the benefit of doubt, as there may be a real reason for this.

It's not really fair to say that this should have been sorted out a long time ago or to make slightly sniggery comments that Korg or retailers aren’t aware of this.

End users often discover issues like this and Korg are not averse to fixing bugs in order to get the product right. Were all human and programmers are to and can sometimes overlook things like this. Fortunately the keyboard firmware is editable so if it is an issue then it can be corrected.

I will contact Korg in Japan and make them aware of this and if the problem can be corrected I’m sure they will do so.

Mike

dimitris · Post by **dimitris** » Wed May 30, 2007 4:41 pm

Thanks Mike!!

korg_nikos · Post by **korg_nikos** » Thu May 31, 2007 7:00 am

Hi Mike,

Thanks for your kind reply,

Personally speaking, to be honest that's not a very important issue to me. I just wanted to be sure that was not a problem of my keyoboard and my moss board only.

Now i know that every extreme keyboard has this "problem". Anyway i appreciate your help.

Actually you can get the right transpose after setting convert position to pre-midi as i have mentioned before. However convert position setting should not affect the transpose step.

But if somebody like me wishes to use scales (like arabic) and transpose them, it wont be possible to transpose also the root key of the scale automatically in order to maintain the same fine tuning of the scale after transposition and being able to play the same scale from another tone. This should happen having convert position set to post midi.

The problem is that regardless this setting the root key is not transposed correctly and the scale is messed up. To avoid this you can manually change the root key. It is ok for studio recordings but in lives you would have problems in real time transpose and it could be REALLY ANNOYING

Anyway now that i know that my extreme and/or moss are not faulty i am in relief. In the begining i thought that it was only my extreme and moss that had this issue.

However i dont think that this is a problem hard to find. I am just curious on how so many Balkans, Greeks, Turks, and Arabs who use these scales a lot, didnt notice that before.

Thanks and Regards

Nikos

korg_nikos · Post by **korg_nikos** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:27 am

Any news?

Regards

Nor · Post by **Nor** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:18 pm

Just got exb-moss, so any news too?