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I would like to know , if it worth to change my PA1X pro with PA2X pro ?
A guestion for PA2X pro owners
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The synth is 5 times better, worth or not its only up to you not to our
personal tastes, if you have the money go for it.
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Thanks Nedim for the reply but it is not enough . You said a PA2X pro is for 5 times better but like what ? It sounds better , it is more stable , it is more easy to play and like that .....
I can't have both instruments (pa1x pro and pa2x pro) that is why I like to know more for this instrument (pa2x pro) , please who has PA2X pro reply.
The manual of PA2X pro has not sound mode , to know it is like PA1x pro ?
My own SET of PA1X pro can I load to PA2X pro ?
Thank you anyway ....
I can't have both instruments (pa1x pro and pa2x pro) that is why I like to know more for this instrument (pa2x pro) , please who has PA2X pro reply.
The manual of PA2X pro has not sound mode , to know it is like PA1x pro ?
My own SET of PA1X pro can I load to PA2X pro ?
Thank you anyway ....
I still have both the Pa1xpro and the Pa2xpro and there are good and not so good differences between them.
1. I have an extensive collection of midi files that I created on Cubase and use live on the Pa1xPro. I have moved them across to the Pa2xpro and I have had to re-work about 90% of them. A number of sounds in the PA2xPro have the same name and location as the Pa1xPro but are actually made up from different samples so the tracks do not sound the same.
This is very noticable on the guitars where the samples are quite different. (other posts have highlighted this as a number of PA1xPro guitar samples have been omited)
2. The twin instant start MP3 players in the PA2XPro are very welcome. Although they are louder in the PA2xPro, so tracks need to be rebalanced.
3. The Voice Processor in the PA2xPro is a bit of a backwards step. It has one less harmony voice and the fact that the pitch correction (an option on the PA1xPro) is not available.
4. To my ears the two keyboards do sound slightly different with the PA2xPro sounding more rounded. Not a bad thing but just different. The EQ's can change this if necessary.
5. I know it's only version 1.0 of the OS but there are number of bugs to be ironed out before I can take the PA2xPro out live. The ones I've found so far are:
-Controling the Harmony Track from a Midi file track doesn't work. This ones a biggie as I only have two hands and they are on other keyboards.
-Using the EC5 footswitch to switch the VP effects on and off only works on the reverb. If you have delay as part of the preset, the footswitch turns it off but not back on again.
-You can't store the status of the Mic on/off switch in the songbook. I've had to create a new preset with the lead and harmony disabled to overcome this when vocals are not required.
-Sometimes I'm not confident that the keyboard is booting up as ocasionally the screen doesn't turn on until after about 30 seconds. Most times the backlight does come on immediately but when it doesn't I get a bit nervous.
-Setting the maximum output level of the MP3 players in Global gets disregarded if you move the MP3 fader. To balance the MP3's against the keyboard tracks I have the MP3 output set to 75. If I move the fader, the range jumps back to 100 when the fader is at max overriding the preset volume in Global.
-Another strange one. Sometimes when I have a VP preset with Notes Mode Harmony and you play notes on the keyboard without singing, there is distinct low level audio crackle on the output. This is not there when either you release the keys or the harmony is switched off and the Lead is on.
-If you are using a Custom List in the Songbook and you push the physical Lyrics button, it take you to the lyrics as it should, but when you deselect the button it takes you back to the main Songbook not the Custom List you were using.
-Ocassionally when i'm creating a song in Song Mode and I want to load a midi file to player 1 a message is displayed saying it can't load it. Trying it again loads it no problem.
These are just some of the niggles I've found. I'm sure they'll be ironed out soon. It really is a great keyboard and it's also very welcome that it's smaller and lighter when i'm giging!!
Cheers
Simon
1. I have an extensive collection of midi files that I created on Cubase and use live on the Pa1xPro. I have moved them across to the Pa2xpro and I have had to re-work about 90% of them. A number of sounds in the PA2xPro have the same name and location as the Pa1xPro but are actually made up from different samples so the tracks do not sound the same.
This is very noticable on the guitars where the samples are quite different. (other posts have highlighted this as a number of PA1xPro guitar samples have been omited)
2. The twin instant start MP3 players in the PA2XPro are very welcome. Although they are louder in the PA2xPro, so tracks need to be rebalanced.
3. The Voice Processor in the PA2xPro is a bit of a backwards step. It has one less harmony voice and the fact that the pitch correction (an option on the PA1xPro) is not available.
4. To my ears the two keyboards do sound slightly different with the PA2xPro sounding more rounded. Not a bad thing but just different. The EQ's can change this if necessary.
5. I know it's only version 1.0 of the OS but there are number of bugs to be ironed out before I can take the PA2xPro out live. The ones I've found so far are:
-Controling the Harmony Track from a Midi file track doesn't work. This ones a biggie as I only have two hands and they are on other keyboards.
-Using the EC5 footswitch to switch the VP effects on and off only works on the reverb. If you have delay as part of the preset, the footswitch turns it off but not back on again.
-You can't store the status of the Mic on/off switch in the songbook. I've had to create a new preset with the lead and harmony disabled to overcome this when vocals are not required.
-Sometimes I'm not confident that the keyboard is booting up as ocasionally the screen doesn't turn on until after about 30 seconds. Most times the backlight does come on immediately but when it doesn't I get a bit nervous.
-Setting the maximum output level of the MP3 players in Global gets disregarded if you move the MP3 fader. To balance the MP3's against the keyboard tracks I have the MP3 output set to 75. If I move the fader, the range jumps back to 100 when the fader is at max overriding the preset volume in Global.
-Another strange one. Sometimes when I have a VP preset with Notes Mode Harmony and you play notes on the keyboard without singing, there is distinct low level audio crackle on the output. This is not there when either you release the keys or the harmony is switched off and the Lead is on.
-If you are using a Custom List in the Songbook and you push the physical Lyrics button, it take you to the lyrics as it should, but when you deselect the button it takes you back to the main Songbook not the Custom List you were using.
-Ocassionally when i'm creating a song in Song Mode and I want to load a midi file to player 1 a message is displayed saying it can't load it. Trying it again loads it no problem.
These are just some of the niggles I've found. I'm sure they'll be ironed out soon. It really is a great keyboard and it's also very welcome that it's smaller and lighter when i'm giging!!
Cheers
Simon
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Hi Simon,
The list of bugs on the Pa2x you posted is extremely useful. Are you aware that Korg are about to release a new OS for the Pa2x? Have you sent your list of bugs to Paolo Tramannoni? If not could you post your list on Paolo's thread here?
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... c&start=30
The list of bugs on the Pa2x you posted is extremely useful. Are you aware that Korg are about to release a new OS for the Pa2x? Have you sent your list of bugs to Paolo Tramannoni? If not could you post your list on Paolo's thread here?
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... c&start=30
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I still have both the Pa1xpro and the Pa2xpro and there are good and not so good differences between them.
1. I have an extensive collection of midi files that I created on Cubase and use live on the Pa1xPro. I have moved them across to the Pa2xpro and I have had to re-work about 90% of them. A number of sounds in the PA2xPro have the same name and location as the Pa1xPro but are actually made up from different samples so the tracks do not sound the same.
Agree. What I don't get is why Korg puts the same style as on PA1 in a different Style map. All performances and Songbook-enry need to be re-programmed! Crazy!
This is very noticable on the guitars where the samples are quite different. (other posts have highlighted this as a number of PA1xPro guitar samples have been omited)
Right, often written: the clean guitar samples on PA1X - are changed - and, according to Mr. Trammanoni, will not soon be present in future resource updates!
Roland did a smarter thing with their sound on G800-G1000-VA76: they simply built new sound bank above the older ones.
2. The twin instant start MP3 players in the PA2XPro are very welcome. Although they are louder in the PA2xPro, so tracks need to be rebalanced.
The MP3 volume slider is a joke. It doesn't react at once when pulling, and I don't understand why I would need one. When somebody is playing Mp3's on stage, he must do some homework in normalising the MP3's.
But Simon, you need to set the MP3 output level in Global at about 70% to get a volume like on PA1. And after that, not use the MP3 slider.
3. The Voice Processor in the PA2xPro is a bit of a backwards step. It has one less harmony voice and the fact that the pitch correction (an option on the PA1xPro) is not available.
The lack of one harmony voice and pitch correction is for me not the main issue, but the real time action. I control vocal harmony with a footswitch ("mom":means, when pressed harmony sounds), but the way it has to be programmed in PA2 is stupid.
4. To my ears the two keyboards do sound slightly different with the PA2xPro sounding more rounded. Not a bad thing but just different. The EQ's can change this if necessary.
5. I know it's only version 1.0 of the OS but there are number of bugs to be ironed out before I can take the PA2xPro out live. The ones I've found so far are:
-Controling the Harmony Track from a Midi file track doesn't work. This ones a biggie as I only have two hands and they are on other keyboards.
Korg has taken away some important harmony control options in OS1 of PA2.
-Using the EC5 footswitch to switch the VP effects on and off only works on the reverb. If you have delay as part of the preset, the footswitch turns it off but not back on again.
-You can't store the status of the Mic on/off switch in the songbook. I've had to create a new preset with the lead and harmony disabled to overcome this when vocals are not required.
Yes, but now you can switch only by toggling between presets.
-Sometimes I'm not confident that the keyboard is booting up as ocasionally the screen doesn't turn on until after about 30 seconds. Most times the backlight does come on immediately but when it doesn't I get a bit nervous.
-Setting the maximum output level of the MP3 players in Global gets disregarded if you move the MP3 fader. To balance the MP3's against the keyboard tracks I have the MP3 output set to 75. If I move the fader, the range jumps back to 100 when the fader is at max overriding the preset volume in Global.
As above, this is exactly why I don't see the use of the MP3 slider. And than the stupid position: I guess 99 % of PA1Xpro users take the wrong slider when balancing upper 1!!!!
-Another strange one. Sometimes when I have a VP preset with Notes Mode Harmony and you play notes on the keyboard without singing, there is distinct low level audio crackle on the output. This is not there when either you release the keys or the harmony is switched off and the Lead is on.
On PA2 you need to experiment with the Mic input treshold level. That will solve this. But again: It WAS fine on PA1Xpro, why change a good thing??
-If you are using a Custom List in the Songbook and you push the physical Lyrics button, it take you to the lyrics as it should, but when you deselect the button it takes you back to the main Songbook not the Custom List you were using.
-Ocassionally when i'm creating a song in Song Mode and I want to load a midi file to player 1 a message is displayed saying it can't load it. Trying it again loads it no problem.
These are just some of the niggles I've found. I'm sure they'll be ironed out soon. It really is a great keyboard and it's also very welcome that it's smaller and lighter when i'm giging!!
I've taken my PA1Xpro back on stage, 'cause I don't trust the PA2.
This week I put some wood covers on left and right of the PA1, 'cause I do like the design of the PA2 (still need to paint the wood a couple of times)
1. I have an extensive collection of midi files that I created on Cubase and use live on the Pa1xPro. I have moved them across to the Pa2xpro and I have had to re-work about 90% of them. A number of sounds in the PA2xPro have the same name and location as the Pa1xPro but are actually made up from different samples so the tracks do not sound the same.
Agree. What I don't get is why Korg puts the same style as on PA1 in a different Style map. All performances and Songbook-enry need to be re-programmed! Crazy!
This is very noticable on the guitars where the samples are quite different. (other posts have highlighted this as a number of PA1xPro guitar samples have been omited)
Right, often written: the clean guitar samples on PA1X - are changed - and, according to Mr. Trammanoni, will not soon be present in future resource updates!
Roland did a smarter thing with their sound on G800-G1000-VA76: they simply built new sound bank above the older ones.
2. The twin instant start MP3 players in the PA2XPro are very welcome. Although they are louder in the PA2xPro, so tracks need to be rebalanced.
The MP3 volume slider is a joke. It doesn't react at once when pulling, and I don't understand why I would need one. When somebody is playing Mp3's on stage, he must do some homework in normalising the MP3's.
But Simon, you need to set the MP3 output level in Global at about 70% to get a volume like on PA1. And after that, not use the MP3 slider.
3. The Voice Processor in the PA2xPro is a bit of a backwards step. It has one less harmony voice and the fact that the pitch correction (an option on the PA1xPro) is not available.
The lack of one harmony voice and pitch correction is for me not the main issue, but the real time action. I control vocal harmony with a footswitch ("mom":means, when pressed harmony sounds), but the way it has to be programmed in PA2 is stupid.
4. To my ears the two keyboards do sound slightly different with the PA2xPro sounding more rounded. Not a bad thing but just different. The EQ's can change this if necessary.
5. I know it's only version 1.0 of the OS but there are number of bugs to be ironed out before I can take the PA2xPro out live. The ones I've found so far are:
-Controling the Harmony Track from a Midi file track doesn't work. This ones a biggie as I only have two hands and they are on other keyboards.
Korg has taken away some important harmony control options in OS1 of PA2.
-Using the EC5 footswitch to switch the VP effects on and off only works on the reverb. If you have delay as part of the preset, the footswitch turns it off but not back on again.
-You can't store the status of the Mic on/off switch in the songbook. I've had to create a new preset with the lead and harmony disabled to overcome this when vocals are not required.
Yes, but now you can switch only by toggling between presets.
-Sometimes I'm not confident that the keyboard is booting up as ocasionally the screen doesn't turn on until after about 30 seconds. Most times the backlight does come on immediately but when it doesn't I get a bit nervous.
-Setting the maximum output level of the MP3 players in Global gets disregarded if you move the MP3 fader. To balance the MP3's against the keyboard tracks I have the MP3 output set to 75. If I move the fader, the range jumps back to 100 when the fader is at max overriding the preset volume in Global.
As above, this is exactly why I don't see the use of the MP3 slider. And than the stupid position: I guess 99 % of PA1Xpro users take the wrong slider when balancing upper 1!!!!
-Another strange one. Sometimes when I have a VP preset with Notes Mode Harmony and you play notes on the keyboard without singing, there is distinct low level audio crackle on the output. This is not there when either you release the keys or the harmony is switched off and the Lead is on.
On PA2 you need to experiment with the Mic input treshold level. That will solve this. But again: It WAS fine on PA1Xpro, why change a good thing??
-If you are using a Custom List in the Songbook and you push the physical Lyrics button, it take you to the lyrics as it should, but when you deselect the button it takes you back to the main Songbook not the Custom List you were using.
-Ocassionally when i'm creating a song in Song Mode and I want to load a midi file to player 1 a message is displayed saying it can't load it. Trying it again loads it no problem.
These are just some of the niggles I've found. I'm sure they'll be ironed out soon. It really is a great keyboard and it's also very welcome that it's smaller and lighter when i'm giging!!
I've taken my PA1Xpro back on stage, 'cause I don't trust the PA2.
This week I put some wood covers on left and right of the PA1, 'cause I do like the design of the PA2 (still need to paint the wood a couple of times)
I think i've found a couple more bugs.
1. The Pa2xPro is interpreting the end of a midi file by the last note off command. This means that as soon as the last note off is read the player stops and resets to the beginiing. Even if the midi file loaded into the Pa2 has a complete empty bar at the end this is being cut short. What this means in practice is that if you have a cymbal crash as your last note in the file, the sound is completely cut off because the sound tail is longer than the actual note length in the file. To work around this I've had to place another note with a volume of zero at the very end of the file to stop the sound cutting off abruptly.
2. On a couple of midi files the Fast Play isn't picking up the reverb CC91 value quick enough even though it's programmed before the first note. This means that on some files the reverb is kicking in after the first note. It doesn't do it on every file so I will have to look at each track to see if there is something amis. The Pa1 doesn't do this.
Cheers
Simon
1. The Pa2xPro is interpreting the end of a midi file by the last note off command. This means that as soon as the last note off is read the player stops and resets to the beginiing. Even if the midi file loaded into the Pa2 has a complete empty bar at the end this is being cut short. What this means in practice is that if you have a cymbal crash as your last note in the file, the sound is completely cut off because the sound tail is longer than the actual note length in the file. To work around this I've had to place another note with a volume of zero at the very end of the file to stop the sound cutting off abruptly.
2. On a couple of midi files the Fast Play isn't picking up the reverb CC91 value quick enough even though it's programmed before the first note. This means that on some files the reverb is kicking in after the first note. It doesn't do it on every file so I will have to look at each track to see if there is something amis. The Pa1 doesn't do this.
Cheers
Simon
Well ,well , well
Hi....
On Friday 29/02/2008 my PA2x pro arrived and now I can tell my opinion .
First of all I played its own styles ,all sound , pushed all buttons to see if all work.... All work , no freezing anywhere (OS.v1.0). Then I updated the key to new OS v1.10 and again I did all that I told above -nothing , all work OK. Then I started with my own PCM data , loaded all PCM data then one by one wrought all again (as told PDF ) , that took me about 3 hours (Samples -967 , Drum samples-815 ) at end I didn't feel my hand...Then I saved ALL data to HD.Then I loaded all my own user sounds -checked all OK.Then user PADs-checked all OK.And in the end I loaded my own STYLES - to 3 user BANKS....Checked - ALL WORK OKKKKK.....(since this moment) All Saturday I was playing ,nothing freezes , I hope and further it will not...
Now about PA2x pro by my opinion . It is different instrument.... I was hoping it is PA1x pro and more , but it isn't . It sounds different ,maybe sound names are same but sounding is different . I can't tell if it is better or not ,it is by taste of everyone. For me it is good (not bad of PA1x pro that I had..) My own styles now have to be change , because balance of sounds now are not that used to be. By the way to KORG ITALY - please the strat guitar samples (you know those) include to next OS and resource ,please.... I think for now it is enough..
Now what is good on PA2x pro. First - when we were changing sound (STS )without stop to play, you have to remember , we had explosion.... now it is gone ....then my PA1x pro to load all data (about 32mb) lasted 2.44 min, now it is 1.31 min.- PA2X pro is faster (and we see the loading process , it is good ) It is lighter and smaller than PA1x pro . I don't use voice with my Korg PA and don't tell anything about it .
What was better on PA1x pro ? That had on Song play preferences Seq 1 and Seq 2 BEST GM SOUND - PA2x pro hasn't...(but I hope it will)
At the moment I think I told enough , if I see something will mention ...
To PA1x pro owner - if you can keep it and then if you want - buy PA2x pro .
To all other Korg owner - PA2x pro is very good instrument , if you want to buy a new keyboard the PA2x pro is THE BEST CHOICE !!!
Hi....
On Friday 29/02/2008 my PA2x pro arrived and now I can tell my opinion .
First of all I played its own styles ,all sound , pushed all buttons to see if all work.... All work , no freezing anywhere (OS.v1.0). Then I updated the key to new OS v1.10 and again I did all that I told above -nothing , all work OK. Then I started with my own PCM data , loaded all PCM data then one by one wrought all again (as told PDF ) , that took me about 3 hours (Samples -967 , Drum samples-815 ) at end I didn't feel my hand...Then I saved ALL data to HD.Then I loaded all my own user sounds -checked all OK.Then user PADs-checked all OK.And in the end I loaded my own STYLES - to 3 user BANKS....Checked - ALL WORK OKKKKK.....(since this moment) All Saturday I was playing ,nothing freezes , I hope and further it will not...
Now about PA2x pro by my opinion . It is different instrument.... I was hoping it is PA1x pro and more , but it isn't . It sounds different ,maybe sound names are same but sounding is different . I can't tell if it is better or not ,it is by taste of everyone. For me it is good (not bad of PA1x pro that I had..) My own styles now have to be change , because balance of sounds now are not that used to be. By the way to KORG ITALY - please the strat guitar samples (you know those) include to next OS and resource ,please.... I think for now it is enough..
Now what is good on PA2x pro. First - when we were changing sound (STS )without stop to play, you have to remember , we had explosion.... now it is gone ....then my PA1x pro to load all data (about 32mb) lasted 2.44 min, now it is 1.31 min.- PA2X pro is faster (and we see the loading process , it is good ) It is lighter and smaller than PA1x pro . I don't use voice with my Korg PA and don't tell anything about it .
What was better on PA1x pro ? That had on Song play preferences Seq 1 and Seq 2 BEST GM SOUND - PA2x pro hasn't...(but I hope it will)
At the moment I think I told enough , if I see something will mention ...
To PA1x pro owner - if you can keep it and then if you want - buy PA2x pro .
To all other Korg owner - PA2x pro is very good instrument , if you want to buy a new keyboard the PA2x pro is THE BEST CHOICE !!!