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PraiseTheLord
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Very good DEMO !!!
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Dikikeys
Great playing, and a great song...
Much has been made here and on another forum about it being a style or SMF, etc., but one thing I haven't really seen is a 'why'?
The truth is, this is an almost rote rendition of the original song, at least as far as chord structure goes, and I'm curious as to why the devotion to doing it in style mode, when doing it in Song mode (and using Markers to give you flexibility) would give you an identical result, but free up your left hand to play more fully..? There's much about piano playing that sounds more realistic when two handed voicings are used, but you have to restrict yourself here because the LH is tied up with the chord input.
Then, at the end, when you need to free your LH up to do the bends, you have to go through the whole rigmarole of making a Variation with the chord changes in it (when doing the chords the first time through with your LH and using the new Chord Sequencer and aftertouch pitch bend would be more true to style mode anyway!) rather than simply making an SMF from the style (or possibly you made the style from an SMF in the first place, I don't know though), dropping in markers for each section so you can mess with the structure depending on the dance floor or your mood, and achieving a less LH dependent result.
Don't get me wrong, it is still an achievement, but I am afraid it kind of begs the question, when a MUCH simpler, much more flexible alternative to doing what you did in style mode exists.... WHY?
Much has been made here and on another forum about it being a style or SMF, etc., but one thing I haven't really seen is a 'why'?
The truth is, this is an almost rote rendition of the original song, at least as far as chord structure goes, and I'm curious as to why the devotion to doing it in style mode, when doing it in Song mode (and using Markers to give you flexibility) would give you an identical result, but free up your left hand to play more fully..? There's much about piano playing that sounds more realistic when two handed voicings are used, but you have to restrict yourself here because the LH is tied up with the chord input.
Then, at the end, when you need to free your LH up to do the bends, you have to go through the whole rigmarole of making a Variation with the chord changes in it (when doing the chords the first time through with your LH and using the new Chord Sequencer and aftertouch pitch bend would be more true to style mode anyway!) rather than simply making an SMF from the style (or possibly you made the style from an SMF in the first place, I don't know though), dropping in markers for each section so you can mess with the structure depending on the dance floor or your mood, and achieving a less LH dependent result.
Don't get me wrong, it is still an achievement, but I am afraid it kind of begs the question, when a MUCH simpler, much more flexible alternative to doing what you did in style mode exists.... WHY?
I'll tell you exactly why...
People are always and i mean always judging you at performances. Most of my functions are wedding which means a couple things:
I need to flexibility to jump from part of a song to another whenever i want, which i wont be able to do in song mode, not easily anyway
Also people see what your doing all the time and if they can sniff at you possible not playing a song and cheating by just playing along to some SMF they will crucify me. it's just the way it is.
Those are the main reasons why and i think they're the only reasons i need to make styles rather than songs. And no i don't use smf's as you can hear the arrangement isn't anything like the original in terms of arrangement, structure it's the same but all tracks are made by my own fingers.
Hope that clears a few things up.
Sal
People are always and i mean always judging you at performances. Most of my functions are wedding which means a couple things:
I need to flexibility to jump from part of a song to another whenever i want, which i wont be able to do in song mode, not easily anyway
Also people see what your doing all the time and if they can sniff at you possible not playing a song and cheating by just playing along to some SMF they will crucify me. it's just the way it is.
Those are the main reasons why and i think they're the only reasons i need to make styles rather than songs. And no i don't use smf's as you can hear the arrangement isn't anything like the original in terms of arrangement, structure it's the same but all tracks are made by my own fingers.
Hope that clears a few things up.
Sal
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Dikikeys
Sal, in my experience, as long as you keep BOTH hands busy, 99.99% of the general public don't give a toss whether you use an SMF or a style. All they want is to be entertained... In fact, next to NONE of them will have any idea what the differences actually are. Unless you are playing to other keyboard players, even few musicians of other instruments have a clue to the process.
The thing is, using Markers allows you to be as flexible as you want to. Sequences can be edited to match how YOU want to do the song quite easily, and then Markers can be used to further diverge from that form.
There are some cute tricks with Markers that few people use.... you see, an SMF can be as long as you like, so it is possible to put in alternative sections well AFTER the normal end of the song, so vamps, breakdowns, even alternate Intros, whatever you feel like can be added to the basic structure and called upon at will. It really blurs the line between the old set in stone structure that SMF's used to have, and the totally free nature of arranger playing.
The only difference is, you gain back your LH from the tyranny of mere chord input. Whether this is of primary importance to you depends a lot on how much you tend to use it. Personally, from decades of live band work, I am used to playing multiple parts using both hands, so tying up the LH for rote chord input bugs me at times. There is so much of what I do, from piano playing to horn and string work and many many more, that one hand voicings simply don't do it for me.
Now, don't get me wrong, there's much good about style mode TOO... But I can't bring myself to use EITHER method 100% of the time. Both have their strengths, and both have their weaknesses. Mostly, it's about serving the music, finding which one works best for a particular song.
But I wouldn't worry for one MINUTE that the audience cares one jot either way! As long as you keep both hands busy, they don't care!
The thing is, using Markers allows you to be as flexible as you want to. Sequences can be edited to match how YOU want to do the song quite easily, and then Markers can be used to further diverge from that form.
There are some cute tricks with Markers that few people use.... you see, an SMF can be as long as you like, so it is possible to put in alternative sections well AFTER the normal end of the song, so vamps, breakdowns, even alternate Intros, whatever you feel like can be added to the basic structure and called upon at will. It really blurs the line between the old set in stone structure that SMF's used to have, and the totally free nature of arranger playing.
The only difference is, you gain back your LH from the tyranny of mere chord input. Whether this is of primary importance to you depends a lot on how much you tend to use it. Personally, from decades of live band work, I am used to playing multiple parts using both hands, so tying up the LH for rote chord input bugs me at times. There is so much of what I do, from piano playing to horn and string work and many many more, that one hand voicings simply don't do it for me.
Now, don't get me wrong, there's much good about style mode TOO... But I can't bring myself to use EITHER method 100% of the time. Both have their strengths, and both have their weaknesses. Mostly, it's about serving the music, finding which one works best for a particular song.
But I wouldn't worry for one MINUTE that the audience cares one jot either way! As long as you keep both hands busy, they don't care!