Here is an idea for players that cant sample drums on their arrangers, even g800 can sound like this, and still i am thrilled by possibilities that open up when you connect pa3 with decent lap top...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXjb9-0acNM
Pa3x on Addictive Drums
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korgpa2xmaster
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Dikikeys
I can't read the text in the video. Can you explain more about what you are doing?
Are you using Addictive as a drum module for the sounds alone, or are you using it to generate the rhythms in sync with the PA3? If using it as simply a soundbank of drum sounds for the PA to play, how responsive is it to program changes (and do you have to remap them from the Korg standards) as you change from one style to another? Or are you stuck with just the one kit?
Did you have to do much drum-note re-mapping in either the PA or Addictive, or was it fairly plug-and-play?
We've been able to do this kind of thing for quite a long time, but the devil is in the details. At home or in the studio, this is a very practical technique, but are you able to pull it off live without being stuck with basically the one kit or unacceptable waits while big software kits load?
One of the core elements of using an arranger is the immediacy of doing ANYTHING... Should inspiration strike, and you want to soften a beat or change to another style with another kit, in the arranger itself it's instant. Can the software approach do this yet, or does it still take a lot of pre-planning?
Are you using Addictive as a drum module for the sounds alone, or are you using it to generate the rhythms in sync with the PA3? If using it as simply a soundbank of drum sounds for the PA to play, how responsive is it to program changes (and do you have to remap them from the Korg standards) as you change from one style to another? Or are you stuck with just the one kit?
Did you have to do much drum-note re-mapping in either the PA or Addictive, or was it fairly plug-and-play?
We've been able to do this kind of thing for quite a long time, but the devil is in the details. At home or in the studio, this is a very practical technique, but are you able to pull it off live without being stuck with basically the one kit or unacceptable waits while big software kits load?
One of the core elements of using an arranger is the immediacy of doing ANYTHING... Should inspiration strike, and you want to soften a beat or change to another style with another kit, in the arranger itself it's instant. Can the software approach do this yet, or does it still take a lot of pre-planning?
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korgpa2xmaster
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I am using addictive as sound module, so its also relative easy to import addictive's midi patterns in style and send it back.
Well i find it very responsive, but it depends on a machine. I'm sure that on newest configurations using ssd drives and ultra fast ram this can work without a glitch, in my case it takes no time for individual element to load but it takes more time for whole drumkit, so it mainly one kit per gig situation. On Pa3x you can assign for every style external or internal drum track so you can combine and possibly load different sets in addictive while running pa3's internal kits.
Addictive has GM map so it instantly worked right with pa3, but not using elements below c2 or percussion, those must be remaped. I didn't prepare my pa3 for this video i just plugged it in and those styles worked great, user and factory. Layers on drums work excellent i dont know how i didnt adjust anything but drum tracks in my user styles worked just the way they should.
You can always do anything with arranger at any moment, this is just a way to go step further, and make even more realistic drumtracks.
The point of this video is that you can get fantastic sound using not just pa3, but possibly roland g800 or similar older arranger and show up at the gig and blow away people even with one drumkit, like you have a real drummer with one kit on stage.
I didn't have the time but i wanted to connect Trillian Bass module for bass track also at the same time. I know it would sound incredible...
In few wears when laptops get even cheaper and more powerful this will be serious option to think about, not to mention that i used SSL stereo bus compressor and vintage warmer in video, having that in live situation is serious bussines!!!
Well i find it very responsive, but it depends on a machine. I'm sure that on newest configurations using ssd drives and ultra fast ram this can work without a glitch, in my case it takes no time for individual element to load but it takes more time for whole drumkit, so it mainly one kit per gig situation. On Pa3x you can assign for every style external or internal drum track so you can combine and possibly load different sets in addictive while running pa3's internal kits.
Addictive has GM map so it instantly worked right with pa3, but not using elements below c2 or percussion, those must be remaped. I didn't prepare my pa3 for this video i just plugged it in and those styles worked great, user and factory. Layers on drums work excellent i dont know how i didnt adjust anything but drum tracks in my user styles worked just the way they should.
You can always do anything with arranger at any moment, this is just a way to go step further, and make even more realistic drumtracks.
The point of this video is that you can get fantastic sound using not just pa3, but possibly roland g800 or similar older arranger and show up at the gig and blow away people even with one drumkit, like you have a real drummer with one kit on stage.
I didn't have the time but i wanted to connect Trillian Bass module for bass track also at the same time. I know it would sound incredible...
In few wears when laptops get even cheaper and more powerful this will be serious option to think about, not to mention that i used SSL stereo bus compressor and vintage warmer in video, having that in live situation is serious bussines!!!
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Dikikeys
I've tried doing some of this stuff in the past (I used a variety of soft drum samplers) and I find in the studio it is incredibly good.
But.... I have always had a problem with melodic sounds, as there is a lot of voice programming and MIDI code to make chords that are hit fractionally late have their notes jump instantly (but without re-triggering) to the notes needed, rather than the notes from the chord that was in the memory from the last chord...
Just imagine you are playing a C chord, then go to a G chord, but a few ticks late. In practice in an arranger, you cannot hear this glitch much, as the notes are instantly 'jumped' (Roland's do it with a polyphonic portamento with time=0) to the note the ought to be. Trouble is, not too many software synths and samplers I have tried have this polyphonic portamento ability, and even fewer with the same code base as Roland's. No doubt Korg do something similar. So you tend to hear a lot more glitches in the sound as you might hit chords fractionally late.
But if you find something that handles this problem as well as the built-in sound engine in your arranger, please post it here. I would love to find a soft synth engine that does this trick....
But.... I have always had a problem with melodic sounds, as there is a lot of voice programming and MIDI code to make chords that are hit fractionally late have their notes jump instantly (but without re-triggering) to the notes needed, rather than the notes from the chord that was in the memory from the last chord...
Just imagine you are playing a C chord, then go to a G chord, but a few ticks late. In practice in an arranger, you cannot hear this glitch much, as the notes are instantly 'jumped' (Roland's do it with a polyphonic portamento with time=0) to the note the ought to be. Trouble is, not too many software synths and samplers I have tried have this polyphonic portamento ability, and even fewer with the same code base as Roland's. No doubt Korg do something similar. So you tend to hear a lot more glitches in the sound as you might hit chords fractionally late.
But if you find something that handles this problem as well as the built-in sound engine in your arranger, please post it here. I would love to find a soft synth engine that does this trick....