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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:48 am    Post subject: PCG Tools for Korg Triton Studio Reply with quote

As some of you know, I have been busy lately with writing an application to read PCG files and be able to generate lists and eventually also adding librarian functionality.

Follow the link in my signature for more details.

Since I want to make my app supporting all Korg Triton models as well, I am looking for someone with a Korg Triton Studio or Classic to do some (simple) tests, like loading/saving PCGs to check if my app can handle them.

Btw, the app is free so anybody interested can have a copy.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be interested as I've been frustrated with searching for a solution to my library woes for over a year. I have tons of downloaded patches and can't use them cause I have no way to sort them. You'd think that Korg would make something after all this time.

Peviously owned a Trinity and found a little editor called Trinitro by Kevin Goodman which worked perfectly. You could load as many separate PCG files as you wanted (meaning I could have unlimited amounts of windows open) and it would let me easily sort all files by categories or name. I could drag multiple files all over the place and create a custom soundsets. I only wish he had a version for the Triton.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello DCCowans, my editor is far from finished but it can do some tricks. Most are about generating lists which are not necessarily librarian functions. You also can change program/combi names and soon moving programs up/down inside a bank. however more functions will follow in time.

Eventually I want to have the same functionality: having lots of windows open and move/copy PCG content from one to another, but that can take some time.

However, my app does not support this model yet. Since I do not have one I need help, so if you want to help me, I can help you (and other Studio owners). Can you send me the factory preset PCG via mail? So I can get it working. I already made the code but it's not finished completely since I do not have the original PCG. And it would also be nice if you can send me a few shorter PCGs (e.g. with one program bank, and one combi bank).
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've sent you the Triton Studio Preload file via email.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Altough I have not fully tested it, I am convinced it works with most PCGs from this Korg model too. But I hope it can be useful for you too.

It might be possible that bank names are not reflected the real banks tough.

This FREE tool is a librarian (not having all functionality yet since it is under development) and can generate lots of useful lists.

For info about the app and how to receive it follow the link in my signature.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:09 pm    Post subject: PCG Tools 0.2.2.80 Reply with quote

A new version of PCG Tools. Loading multiple PCGs is a job I will do (much) later, but there is a new features and some improvements: some buttons have been replaced by a menu and toolbar to make space for future additions easier and to have a bit more professional look.

And now it's possible to select MULTIPLE programs, combis or set list slots to move up and down inside a bank.

Also some small bug fixes. Below is the complete list.

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0.2.2.80    12-Sep-2011 Feature: Select multiple programs and combis for moving up/down.
                        Improv:  Added menu and moved buttons to menu.
                        Improv:  Added About window.
                        Improv:  Show set lists that have changed names or with non default set list slots (-> I-A000)
                        Improv:  Changed warning text for Differences List.
                        Bug Fix: Fixed exception in Differences list with 'To' option in set lists filtering.
                        Bug Fix: Fixed Initial Programs radio button selected when only set lists contained in PCG.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:34 pm    Post subject: Update 0.2.3.118 Reply with quote

New update:

A lot of small improvements and main feature to open multiple PCGs at the same time. You cannot perform actions on multiple PCGs (such as copying from one to another), but I thought it was already interesting enough to publish. Also a new status bar showing info about the currently selected PCG and improved closing behavior is added.

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0.2.3.118   24-Sep-2011 Feature: Open multiple PCG files at the same time.
                        Feature: Added Status bar showing the amount of programs, combis and set list slots and banks in the PCG.
                        Feature: Added Status bar field showing the Korg model type of the loaded PCG.
                        Feature: Added Revert to Saved menu option (undo changes).
                        Improv:  Replaced Combo box for bank/set list selection by list view.
                        Improv:  Moved Label with loaded PCG file name flag to the title bar.
                        Improv:  Added dirty flag (meaning PCG file has changed) as * to the title bar.
                        Improv:  Added warning when closing the app or close a changed PCG.
                        Improv:  Added Move Up and Move Down to Actions menu.
                        Improv:  Changed the default list generator sort order from alphabetical to type/bank/index.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This looks like it'll good.

Not sure if this feature is there and I missed it but, it'd be useful to have a category feature where all the patches could be organized by their categories to make sorting thru patches easier.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DWCowans wrote:
This looks like it'll good.

Not sure if this feature is there and I missed it but, it'd be useful to have a category feature where all the patches could be organized by their categories to make sorting thru patches easier.


This feature is not there yet, but it is very high on my wish list and it's probably next on my list after the next update.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It took a few weeks but finally a new update is available. Below is the total list of changes, but some extra words (read: advertisement) is proper:

With this patch you can COPY program (banks) and combi (banks). When you copy combis, the programs being used are also copied. You can copy within a PCG but you also can
copy from one PCG to another PCG ... meaning it's finally a bit more mature as a librarian.

Also some other changes are made: you can select one or more banks OR one or more patches. Use the Shift or Control key for multiple selections.

Take a look at the copy/paste settings first and read the help text (help button) because copy/paste works a bit more difficult than in e.g. a word processor (since this copy/paste copies complete 'structures').

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0.2.4.120    6-Oct-2011 Feature: Copy programs inside a PCG or to another PCG.
                        Feature: Copy combis inside a PCG or to another PCG while copying the used programs together.
                        Feature: Copy set list slots inside a PCG or to another PCG while copying the used programs and combis together.
                        Improv:  Commands in windows depend on selection of bank/patch selection list view.
                        Improv:  Added column in banks for content type (Program bank shows Sampled/Modeled programs).
                        Improv:  Added column in patches for Description (showing set list slot descriptions).
                        Improv:  Double clicking a single patch shows the Edit window.
                        Improv:  The short cut for the edit button is Alt-E (and had to remove the Edit menu short cut).
                        Improv:  All banks/set lists are shown, also empty ones (useful for copy/paste functionality).
                        Bug Fix: Prevented some crashes related to the menu.
                        Bug Fix: Removed maximizing a PCG window when double clicking on the title bar.
                        Bug Fix: Prevented crash when loading a PCG without program, combi and set list slot data.
                        Bug Fix: Prevented crash when closing changed file after message box.
                        Bug Fix: Owner set correctly for message boxes; added icon for set list generator.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It took a few weeks but finally a new update is available. Below is the total list of changes, but some extra words (read: advertisement) is proper:

With this patch you can COPY program (banks) and combi (banks). When you copy combis, the programs being used are also copied. You can copy within a PCG but you also can
copy from one PCG to another PCG ... meaning it's finally a bit more mature as a librarian.

Also some other changes are made: you can select one or more banks OR one or more patches. Use the Shift or Control key for multiple selections.

Take a look at the copy/paste settings first and read the help text (help button) because copy/paste works a bit more difficult than in e.g. a word processor (since this copy/paste copies complete 'structures').

Code:
0.2.4.120    6-Oct-2011 Feature: Copy programs inside a PCG or to another PCG.
                        Feature: Copy combis inside a PCG or to another PCG while copying the used programs together.
                        Feature: Copy set list slots inside a PCG or to another PCG while copying the used programs and combis together.
                        Improv:  Commands in windows depend on selection of bank/patch selection list view.
                        Improv:  Added column in banks for content type (Program bank shows Sampled/Modeled programs).
                        Improv:  Added column in patches for Description (showing set list slot descriptions).
                        Improv:  Double clicking a single patch shows the Edit window.
                        Improv:  The short cut for the edit button is Alt-E (and had to remove the Edit menu short cut).
                        Improv:  All banks/set lists are shown, also empty ones (useful for copy/paste functionality).
                        Bug Fix: Prevented some crashes related to the menu.
                        Bug Fix: Removed maximizing a PCG window when double clicking on the title bar.
                        Bug Fix: Prevented crash when loading a PCG without program, combi and set list slot data.
                        Bug Fix: Prevented crash when closing changed file after message box.
                        Bug Fix: Owner set correctly for message boxes; added icon for set list generator.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This looks very promising. If the sort by category column is added it'll a great tool program to have. As well, a feature to detect duplicates would be nice (detecting duplicate patches by analyzing parameters)

I wish I knew how to write software, I'd help out if I could.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DWCowans wrote:
This looks very promising. If the sort by category column is added it'll a great tool program to have. As well, a feature to detect duplicates would be nice (detecting duplicate patches by analyzing parameters)

I wish I knew how to write software, I'd help out if I could.


Next major topic I start with is categories. First to add the columns and do nothing with it, afterwards being able to sort the selected patches by category (or alphabetical) and also selected banks. But this will take me some time, because some models have a category + sub category and some have only a category ... also I have to find out where the categories are located etc. Probably take me some weeks.

And the downside news: I'm a bit more actively searching for a Kronos so when I have one, my programming speed will slow down (because I need to spend time with the Kronos).

And you can already find identical patches:
Example: load a PCG, select programs I-A000 to I-A002, copy/paste them to I-A006 (to I-A008).
Press Generate List, select Differences List, set the Max Number of Differences (in bytes) slider to 0 and press Generate. Result:

Program I-A000
0 Diffs: I-A006
Program I-A001
0 Diffs: I-A007
Program I-A002
0 Diffs: I-A008

As you can see 3 programs are now detected as duplicates.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:13 pm    Post subject: Update 0.2.5.121 Reply with quote

This is an in between update, since I will not spend much time the next weeks at the app (except for very urgent bugs maybe).

However, I wanted to deliver the parts I finished till now so you have some extra functionality.

The main features are showing of categories (and subcategories), the possibility to clear programs/combis/set list slots or banks and XML output is improved (for viewing in HTML). Also cleaned up the list views and fixed some bugs.

See complete list below
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0.2.5.121  12-Oct-2011  Feature: Showing categories and sub categories for patches in GUI.
                        Feature: Clear selected program(s) or bank(s).
                        Improv:  Creation of XSL files for output generation in XML.
                        Improv:  Removed Set Lists radio button if not supported by model.
                        Improv:  Removed 'Content Type' column and 'Description' column from list views if not filled.
                        Bug Fix: Prevented crash for program usage/combi content list generator for Karma PCGs.
                        Bug Fix: Removed possibility to copy programs/combis between a Korg Triton PCG and Korg Karma PCG.
                        Bug Fix: Edit window has an icon now to prevent being unnoticed when unfocused.


The other part of the update will be later (probably as 0.3.x release).
This will involve the usage of the categories, like creating category lists, outputting lists sorted by category and sorting patches by name or category.

Programming speed will be lower the next months because I want to split it between playing with the Korg Kronos Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:19 am    Post subject: Update 0.2.6.125 Reply with quote

Time for a new update ... just some small pieces since I am way to busy with the Kronos, but still some additions.

The most appreciated will probably be the Patch List, showing categories and the possibility to sort by category (and subcategory).

Also improved some small issues and bug fixes.

For Kronos only:
Also new line characters (returns) can be used inside the descriptions of set list slots (Kronos only). This is NOT possible on the Kronos itself so it is quite a unique feature (sorry for bragging a bit).

For Kronos only:
If my assumption for bank index conversion is right, my app is already capable of handling U-AA to U-GG files ... however of course I could not test it since OS1.5 is not available. But it MIGHT be possible PCG Tools will recognize the new banks already. If not, I will send an update asap after I installed OS 1.5 myself and adapted the app.

Furthermore, I cleaned up the wish list (removed some items which are already present).

The next item I will be working on is a Timbres manager. A combi consists of 8 or 16 timbres (programs). I will add a screen to move them up/down (left/right on your synth) and maybe some other functions like copy/paste if possible. I cannot guarantee I will add intelligence for IFXs because that is really tricky (and differs per synth model).

Below is the complete change list.
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0.2.6.125   2-Nov-2011  Feature: Support for (U-)AA- to (U-)GG banks, added with OS update 1.5 (Kronos only and UNTESTED!).
                        Improv:  Patch List shows categories/sub categories (both Text, CSV and XML file format).
                        Improv:  Patch List can be sorted by category.
                        Improv:  Patch List output for CSV and XML slightly improved (and a bit changed).
                        Improv:  Possibility to use new line characters in a set list slot description (Kronos only).
                        Improv:  Number of characters for patch names/descriptions is shown in the edit screen.
                        Bug Fix: Prevented crash when copying set lists slots using combis from U-A..U-G; Kronos only.
                        Bug Fix: Prevented strange symbols for (sub) categories when loading PCGs without Global chunk.

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