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[NuSkoolTone]

I've noticed a behavior to set list that works well in one direction, but not in the reverse IMO.

If I'm on a slot in the set list, say a combi. If I go to Combi mode, it puts me on the Combi selected in Set list.

If I select a different Combi in Combi Mode and even if it exists as a slot in set list mode, it will change BACK to the previous combi selected in Set list mode.

I'd like it to have whatever combi selected in combi mode to become the selected slot in set list mode provided that combi exists. If it can only view the scope of the currently selected setlist, that would be acceptable.

This would help me tremendously playing live with the band and here is why: My band doesn't use a "Set list" per say. However we do have montages we play of a few songs strung together.

For me I've assigned a user category in combi mode to be "songs" with the sub categories as song types (Ballad, Rock, Disco, etc...). This allows me to change patches quickly when the band leader gives me 3 seconds to change patches. So I would use this for my general patch changes because I can see more patches quicker.

Though set list would be very handy for the montages where I DO know what they're going to call next. So Say they called a song while I'm in Combi mode. I can select the first song and then once we've started go to set list mode. Then from there I can just click through the montage sounds as I need them. Yes I could just put them all in order in combi mode (Which is what I've done for years) but then I don't get the flexibility of set list mode.

Now for those where they'd like to keep the current behavior as is, it would be nice if you could choose. Say one called: Last Slot used, and Last Reference used.

2nd question: The Set list Mode EQ is a nice touch. Does it ONLY apply when in set list mode, or is it GLOBAL once you set it?

Thanks!
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[SeedyLee]

I think the current behaviour of the Kronos in this situation is logical. There is a one-to-one correspondence between a Set List Entry and a Program/Combi. However, there is potentially a one-to-many correspondence between a particular combi/program and a set-list entry. In the event there are multiple set list etnries using the same combi, an arbitrary determination would need to be made as to which one to change to, which could be more confusing than helpful.

I think the existing behaviour of having the Kronos remember the set list entry when changing modes works great. It's predictable and lets the user keep their place in the set, even if they decide to change to combi/program mode for a bit of improvisation on track.
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[NuSkoolTone]

[NuSkoolTone]

So Here I am THREE YEARS LATER, and this STILL MAKES SETLIST SUCK IMO.

So I've tried my "Workaround" to use Combis in Categories like "Rock, Disco, Ballad, etc..." and while it works for the most part, sometimes I've gotten bitten remembering what category I put it in and there I am with the band waiting on me! What's better is just to put all the songs in alphabetical order and make Categories like A-C, D-G, H-L, etc.... Basically so the size of each list isn't too big. It's very efficient if you keep a consistent naming scheme (Like Song title - Artist). So that's good. Remember we call things "on the fly" according to the crowd.

Though here's still a MAJOR problem: The Damn Medlies/Montages!

With the songs in Alpha Order, I can't just click to the next song. I'd have to search the next one coming! So while I can find the first song of the montage faster, now for the transitions I'm screwed.

So I revisited what would have been the PERFECT solution: Find the sound in my Alpha order Combis real quick, and if it exists in the current setlist in setlist mode it would take me there and THEN I could just go through the lined up Montage at that point in the setlist!

And..................NO. It STILL won't work this way. WHY!?!?!?!?
WHAT is so freaking hard about this? I mean have a global setting that says "Remember last Setlist selected" for those who want it separate (The current way) and then let work as described above otherwise (Or the reverse I don't care). THIS IS NOT THAT HARD! I can't be the ONLY one who would benefit from this!

So unless you're doing a FULLY CANNED show, setlist is USELESS!!!!!

Here I am, Back to workarounds /rant
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[SanderXpander]

I use an iPad with Set List Maker for this. Works great. The medleys are in order in my Kronos setlist and my iPad tells my Kronos to select the initial slot for each one.

[michelkeijzers]

With PCG Tools, you can easy sort programs, combis and set list slots in alphabetical order.

And beyond that, you can e.g. use Artist - Title Name as the name of set list slots, and sort on either Artist or Title. The character to split (the - sign above) can be changed if needed.

What I normally do within PCG Tools:
- Sorting a set list alphabetical order by Artist
- Copy the set list to another set list
- Sort that set list by Title order

Of course you also can use instead of an artist name, the genre name if that suits you better.
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[studio429]

I've got three or four generic setlists that have all the programmes I would use depending on what act I'm playing with. For shows with my main act I have a setlist that I tweak dependent upon any small tweaks. If we throw something in as a 'bonus' it normally requires a fairly generic patch (piano / organ) but if it's something with splits and specific samples generally I just search for my preprogammed combi.

[jeebustrain]

[NuSkoolTone]

[SanderXpander]

Actually the iPad uses the host port so unless you normally have a Macbook hooked up or something you don't lose a port.

It takes a while to set up properly but it's super flexible and quick afterwards.

EDIT:
To elaborate, in Set List Maker you have to enter all songs as separate items. Each song can have a number of attributes such as "key", "tempo" (including visual, audio and midi click), "artist", "style", "chords", "documents" (PDFs for instance) and, importantly, "midi presets". Midi presets can consist of program changes on all sixteen channels and "raw midi data" which can include sysex. You can specify whether it sends sysex first or the program change first, and if a delay between the two is necessary. For instance, in my case, I always start with a SysEx string telling the Kronos to switch to setlist mode. Then there's a 0.3 second delay and then the program change is sent.

Once you have all this stuff set up, you only have to tap a song name and the Kronos finds the right sound, any necessary documents open up on your screen and a click starts (in my case just a visual one). You can list songs by alphabet, artist, genre, tag or just make a real setlist quickly. If you don't mind investing a little time in it, I really recommend it.

[danatkorg]

[NuSkoolTone]

[danatkorg]

[NuSkoolTone]

[SanderXpander]

I think our situations/applications are very similar. Let me know if you have any questions or issues. I could also set up a sample database and sync it with you if you get the db sync add-on.