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German Grand vs Austrian Grand (listen to link first)
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Which sounds better to your ears?
German Grand
27%
 27%  [ 12 ]
Austrian Grand
13%
 13%  [ 6 ]
Both sound the same
13%
 13%  [ 6 ]
Depends on the passage being played
44%
 44%  [ 19 ]
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since space really isn't an issue and if you were to pay for it, it's the exact same install, I don't see it being too big of a deal.

Out of curiosity, was there a .pcg file with that demo? If so, could someone put it someplace?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimknopf wrote:
The demo has a sound dropout every 2 or 3 seconds or so, and no other limits. The dropout frquency is a bit fast for my taste, and it is hard to get a good overall impression with the constant fading in and out. But else it is fantastic to have this demo mode for testing.

Remember though, that you can't get rid of the demo install for now (I guess this problem will be solved soon).


I haven't tried it yet, but if the dropout frequency would not be fast you probably would think there were volume changes inside the piano sound itself.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

McHale wrote:
Since space really isn't an issue and if you were to pay for it, it's the exact same install, I don't see it being too big of a deal.


Space is an issue. The disk size of the Austrian piano is 6.1GB. I don't remember how much was originally on the SSD but let's say 13GB. So if you've added some files of your own or maybe the Lawson demo you could easily be at 20GB+. The 30GB SSD has an actual size of 27GB. You want to try out the new String library and/or Karo and very quickly you're bumping up against the wall.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would someone mind sending me the .pcg that comes with it?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

burningbusch wrote:
McHale wrote:
Since space really isn't an issue and if you were to pay for it, it's the exact same install, I don't see it being too big of a deal.


Space is an issue. The disk size of the Austrian piano is 6.1GB. I don't remember how much was originally on the SSD but let's say 13GB. So if you've added some files of your own or maybe the Lawson demo you could easily be at 20GB+. The 30GB SSD has an actual size of 27GB. You want to try out the new String library and/or Karo and very quickly you're bumping up against the wall.

Busch.


Ouch, didn't realize it took that much. Yikes, actually...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

burningbusch wrote:
McHale wrote:
Since space really isn't an issue and if you were to pay for it, it's the exact same install, I don't see it being too big of a deal.


Space is an issue. The disk size of the Austrian piano is 6.1GB. I don't remember how much was originally on the SSD but let's say 13GB. So if you've added some files of your own or maybe the Lawson demo you could easily be at 20GB+. The 30GB SSD has an actual size of 27GB. You want to try out the new String library and/or Karo and very quickly you're bumping up against the wall.

Busch.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was hard to pick one over the other. I voted for the German. The Austrian sounds a little brighter and thinner, but does have a beautiful character of its own.

I'm not sure its worth $249 given whats already on board. That said, I'll probably spring for it anyway.

Thanks for posting the comparison, Chuck. That was very helpful!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimknopf wrote:
burningbusch wrote:
McHale wrote:
Since space really isn't an issue and if you were to pay for it, it's the exact same install, I don't see it being too big of a deal.


Space is an issue. The disk size of the Austrian piano is 6.1GB. I don't remember how much was originally on the SSD but let's say 13GB. So if you've added some files of your own or maybe the Lawson demo you could easily be at 20GB+. The 30GB SSD has an actual size of 27GB. You want to try out the new String library and/or Karo and very quickly you're bumping up against the wall.

Busch.


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I got around 6Gb left now on the SSD, which looked so big and as if it would last for years, when buying the Kronos. But I regard it as good news, that there is so much additional high quality stuff available so fast. I guess I should replace the SSD by a bigger one (64 or 128Gb) and do a complete reinstall before the next libraries from Korg and Karo appear. Wink


thats exactly what I would look into. See if users/owners can replace the current SSD with a 64 or 128GB (Personally I would go 128GB) without compromising warranty. If folks get into the Karo libs, I suspect the larger size might make more sense.

There is a thread topic from December about larger SSD's. I recall 2 owners have done the change. Maybe bump that topic if folks are interested.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1: Extremely helpful demo - thanks PianoManChuck!

Now that I have heard such a good side-by-side comparison I am getting the comments about the Austrian piano's sweet spot is in the mix of non-ballad full band stuff.
Thanks again... --SV
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are certainly different! I like the Austrian better, though I don't think I like it enough to buy it, it still seems to suffer from some of the same qualities that bug me about the existing Kronos pianos (exaggerated attack relative to a quick drop-off, and a lifelessness to the long decays). But I'll load in the demo at some point and play with it myself.

I don't really buy into the "different sounds for different kinds of playing" perspective. When it comes to real acoustic pianos, people may disagree about which sounds best, but when you find one you love the sound of, I think you love the sound of it for everything. (And I've certainly never seen a classical pianist wheel out a different piano for a different kind of piece...)

Plus the Kronos does allow you to make some noticeable modifications even to one given piano sound.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although it sounds really good; and yes it does; I simply can't justify the cost. I think that by the time you have the piano properly set in the mix with the rest of your band you would be just as well off if you simply used one of the brighter pianos already in the Kronos. By itself if you are playing music that works better with the Bosendorfer I could see it but not in a rock band situation.
To my ears the Bosendofer is more of a Mozart sound while the Steinway heads towards Beethoven. Does that make sense? I'm not knocking it. I think it's severely over-priced and yes I know that has been discussed on another thread.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Chuck,

Thanks so much for putting this demo online. I had been planning to purchase the Austrian, but having listened to your demo I'm satisfied with the stock German. I think both are just terrific. And while I appreciate the nuance of the Austrian, for 250 and used up disk space, I am just as happy with what I have.

I think you did a great job playing passages that give us a good feel for the two instruments. Your forum name is well-deserved!

Blessings,

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danmusician wrote:
Hey Chuck,

Thanks so much for putting this demo online. I had been planning to purchase the Austrian, but having listened to your demo I'm satisfied with the stock German. I think both are just terrific. And while I appreciate the nuance of the Austrian, for 250 and used up disk space, I am just as happy with what I have.

I think you did a great job playing passages that give us a good feel for the two instruments. Your forum name is well-deserved!

Blessings,

Dan

Thanks for the positive feedback, Dan!

Both the German and Austrian grands are excellent! I think its all a matter of preference, and in what context the piano(s) will be used. If you're the type that can just sit down and play/create... each will inspire you in a different direction! That alone might be worth considering the price as a deciding factor.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="PianoManChuck"]
danmusician wrote:
If you're the type that can just sit down and play/create... each will inspire you in a different direction! That alone might be worth considering the price as a deciding factor.


I can certainly see (and hear!) your point. And I do tend to sit down and noodle quite a bit. Perhaps if the time comes where I feel less inspiration from the Kronos "as is," I'll take the leap. In the meantime, the difference between the two just isn't great enough for the expense.

In terms of playing live, I think they both fill the same space in the piano spectrum for me. Listening to your demo, I suspect the Austrian may cut through a mix a little better. The German hasn't been a problem for me in that regard, though it sounds from others on this board that it may be for them. For me, songs where the German may not cut through, the Japanese is probably a better choice anyway.

Again, thanks! You've done a great service to the Kronos community!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Concerning the SSD space, we already discussed the problem here: http://korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=68128

Now coming to the difference between German & Austrian Piano: In my personal opinion, there´s nothing, which is worth spending more than 200 Euro in this piano add-on, since the difference is really small. An amateur will not even hear a difference... So, that´s only stuff for people in love with filling up their ssd space Laughing
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