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Which sounds better to your ears? |
German Grand |
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27% |
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Austrian Grand |
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13% |
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Both sound the same |
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13% |
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Depends on the passage being played |
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44% |
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McHale Platinum Member
Joined: 10 Feb 2009 Posts: 2487 Location: B.F.E.
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:40 am Post subject: |
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Since space really isn't an issue and if you were to pay for it, it's the exact same install, I don't see it being too big of a deal.
Out of curiosity, was there a .pcg file with that demo? If so, could someone put it someplace? _________________ Current Korg Gear: KRONOS 88 (4GB), M50-73 (PS mod), RADIAS-73, Electribe MX, Triton Pro (MOSS, SCSI, CF, 64MB RAM), SQ-64, DVP-1, MEX-8000, MR-1, KAOSSilator, nanoKey, nanoKontrol, 3x nanoPad 2, 3x DS1H, 7x PS1, FC7 (yes Korg, NOT Yamaha). |
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michelkeijzers Approved Merchant
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 9113 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:47 am Post subject: |
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jimknopf wrote: | The demo has a sound dropout every 2 or 3 seconds or so, and no other limits. The dropout frquency is a bit fast for my taste, and it is hard to get a good overall impression with the constant fading in and out. But else it is fantastic to have this demo mode for testing.
Remember though, that you can't get rid of the demo install for now (I guess this problem will be solved soon). |
I haven't tried it yet, but if the dropout frequency would not be fast you probably would think there were volume changes inside the piano sound itself. _________________
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burningbusch Approved Merchant
Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 1203 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:50 am Post subject: |
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McHale wrote: | Since space really isn't an issue and if you were to pay for it, it's the exact same install, I don't see it being too big of a deal.
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Space is an issue. The disk size of the Austrian piano is 6.1GB. I don't remember how much was originally on the SSD but let's say 13GB. So if you've added some files of your own or maybe the Lawson demo you could easily be at 20GB+. The 30GB SSD has an actual size of 27GB. You want to try out the new String library and/or Karo and very quickly you're bumping up against the wall.
Busch. _________________ Kronos 73, Nautilus 61, Vox Continental 73, Monologue, Yamaha Montage 8, Rhodes Suitcase, Yamaha VL-1, Roland V-Synth, Yamaha AvantGrand, Minimoog Model D, Studio Electronics Omega 8, CSS, Spitfire, VSL, LASS, Sample Modeling, Ivory, Komplete 12, Spectrasonics, Cubase, Pro Tools, etc.
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McHale Platinum Member
Joined: 10 Feb 2009 Posts: 2487 Location: B.F.E.
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:50 am Post subject: |
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Would someone mind sending me the .pcg that comes with it? _________________ Current Korg Gear: KRONOS 88 (4GB), M50-73 (PS mod), RADIAS-73, Electribe MX, Triton Pro (MOSS, SCSI, CF, 64MB RAM), SQ-64, DVP-1, MEX-8000, MR-1, KAOSSilator, nanoKey, nanoKontrol, 3x nanoPad 2, 3x DS1H, 7x PS1, FC7 (yes Korg, NOT Yamaha). |
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McHale Platinum Member
Joined: 10 Feb 2009 Posts: 2487 Location: B.F.E.
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:51 am Post subject: |
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burningbusch wrote: | McHale wrote: | Since space really isn't an issue and if you were to pay for it, it's the exact same install, I don't see it being too big of a deal.
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Space is an issue. The disk size of the Austrian piano is 6.1GB. I don't remember how much was originally on the SSD but let's say 13GB. So if you've added some files of your own or maybe the Lawson demo you could easily be at 20GB+. The 30GB SSD has an actual size of 27GB. You want to try out the new String library and/or Karo and very quickly you're bumping up against the wall.
Busch. |
Ouch, didn't realize it took that much. Yikes, actually... _________________ Current Korg Gear: KRONOS 88 (4GB), M50-73 (PS mod), RADIAS-73, Electribe MX, Triton Pro (MOSS, SCSI, CF, 64MB RAM), SQ-64, DVP-1, MEX-8000, MR-1, KAOSSilator, nanoKey, nanoKontrol, 3x nanoPad 2, 3x DS1H, 7x PS1, FC7 (yes Korg, NOT Yamaha). |
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jimknopf Platinum Member
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3374
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:05 am Post subject: |
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burningbusch wrote: | McHale wrote: | Since space really isn't an issue and if you were to pay for it, it's the exact same install, I don't see it being too big of a deal.
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Space is an issue. The disk size of the Austrian piano is 6.1GB. I don't remember how much was originally on the SSD but let's say 13GB. So if you've added some files of your own or maybe the Lawson demo you could easily be at 20GB+. The 30GB SSD has an actual size of 27GB. You want to try out the new String library and/or Karo and very quickly you're bumping up against the wall.
Busch. |
Confirmed
I got around 6Gb left now on the SSD, which looked so big and as if it would last for years, when buying the Kronos. But I regard it as good news, that there is so much additional high quality stuff available so fast. I guess I should replace the SSD by a bigger one (64 or 128Gb) and do a complete reinstall before the next libraries from Korg and Karo appear. _________________ Kronos 73 - Moog Voyager RME - Moog LP TE - Behringer Model D - Prophet 6 - Roland Jupiter Xm - Rhodes Stage 73 Mk I - Elektron Analog Rytm MkII - Roland TR-6s - Cubase 12 Pro + Groove Agent 5 |
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Fred S Junior Member
Joined: 03 Sep 2011 Posts: 90 Location: Northern California
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:13 am Post subject: |
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It was hard to pick one over the other. I voted for the German. The Austrian sounds a little brighter and thinner, but does have a beautiful character of its own.
I'm not sure its worth $249 given whats already on board. That said, I'll probably spring for it anyway.
Thanks for posting the comparison, Chuck. That was very helpful! _________________ Yamaha S90es, Hammond XK-1, Kronos 88, Gibson Les Paul, American Deluxe Strat, Taylor accoustic, Vox amp, Motion Sound Pro 145, KC-550s x2, a bunch of plugins, and a Kawai grand. |
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:19 am Post subject: |
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jimknopf wrote: | burningbusch wrote: | McHale wrote: | Since space really isn't an issue and if you were to pay for it, it's the exact same install, I don't see it being too big of a deal.
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Space is an issue. The disk size of the Austrian piano is 6.1GB. I don't remember how much was originally on the SSD but let's say 13GB. So if you've added some files of your own or maybe the Lawson demo you could easily be at 20GB+. The 30GB SSD has an actual size of 27GB. You want to try out the new String library and/or Karo and very quickly you're bumping up against the wall.
Busch. |
Confirmed
I got around 6Gb left now on the SSD, which looked so big and as if it would last for years, when buying the Kronos. But I regard it as good news, that there is so much additional high quality stuff available so fast. I guess I should replace the SSD by a bigger one (64 or 128Gb) and do a complete reinstall before the next libraries from Korg and Karo appear. |
thats exactly what I would look into. See if users/owners can replace the current SSD with a 64 or 128GB (Personally I would go 128GB) without compromising warranty. If folks get into the Karo libs, I suspect the larger size might make more sense.
There is a thread topic from December about larger SSD's. I recall 2 owners have done the change. Maybe bump that topic if folks are interested. _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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Synthvalley Junior Member
Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Posts: 59 Location: Wisconsin, USA
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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+1: Extremely helpful demo - thanks PianoManChuck!
Now that I have heard such a good side-by-side comparison I am getting the comments about the Austrian piano's sweet spot is in the mix of non-ballad full band stuff.
Thanks again... --SV |
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Scott Platinum Member
Joined: 16 Oct 2009 Posts: 1015
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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They are certainly different! I like the Austrian better, though I don't think I like it enough to buy it, it still seems to suffer from some of the same qualities that bug me about the existing Kronos pianos (exaggerated attack relative to a quick drop-off, and a lifelessness to the long decays). But I'll load in the demo at some point and play with it myself.
I don't really buy into the "different sounds for different kinds of playing" perspective. When it comes to real acoustic pianos, people may disagree about which sounds best, but when you find one you love the sound of, I think you love the sound of it for everything. (And I've certainly never seen a classical pianist wheel out a different piano for a different kind of piece...)
Plus the Kronos does allow you to make some noticeable modifications even to one given piano sound. |
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jeremykeys Platinum Member
Joined: 19 Jun 2011 Posts: 3092 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:57 am Post subject: |
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Although it sounds really good; and yes it does; I simply can't justify the cost. I think that by the time you have the piano properly set in the mix with the rest of your band you would be just as well off if you simply used one of the brighter pianos already in the Kronos. By itself if you are playing music that works better with the Bosendorfer I could see it but not in a rock band situation.
To my ears the Bosendofer is more of a Mozart sound while the Steinway heads towards Beethoven. Does that make sense? I'm not knocking it. I think it's severely over-priced and yes I know that has been discussed on another thread. _________________ If music is the food of love, play on and play loud!
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danmusician Platinum Member
Joined: 08 Apr 2009 Posts: 875 Location: Southern PA
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:12 am Post subject: |
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Hey Chuck,
Thanks so much for putting this demo online. I had been planning to purchase the Austrian, but having listened to your demo I'm satisfied with the stock German. I think both are just terrific. And while I appreciate the nuance of the Austrian, for 250 and used up disk space, I am just as happy with what I have.
I think you did a great job playing passages that give us a good feel for the two instruments. Your forum name is well-deserved!
Blessings,
Dan _________________ Kronos 2 88, Kronos Classic 73, PX-5S, Kronos 2 61, Roli Seaboard Rise 49 |
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PianoManChuck Platinum Member
Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Posts: 832 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:30 am Post subject: |
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danmusician wrote: | Hey Chuck,
Thanks so much for putting this demo online. I had been planning to purchase the Austrian, but having listened to your demo I'm satisfied with the stock German. I think both are just terrific. And while I appreciate the nuance of the Austrian, for 250 and used up disk space, I am just as happy with what I have.
I think you did a great job playing passages that give us a good feel for the two instruments. Your forum name is well-deserved!
Blessings,
Dan |
Thanks for the positive feedback, Dan!
Both the German and Austrian grands are excellent! I think its all a matter of preference, and in what context the piano(s) will be used. If you're the type that can just sit down and play/create... each will inspire you in a different direction! That alone might be worth considering the price as a deciding factor. _________________ Check me out at PianoManChuck |
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danmusician Platinum Member
Joined: 08 Apr 2009 Posts: 875 Location: Southern PA
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="PianoManChuck"] danmusician wrote: | If you're the type that can just sit down and play/create... each will inspire you in a different direction! That alone might be worth considering the price as a deciding factor. |
I can certainly see (and hear!) your point. And I do tend to sit down and noodle quite a bit. Perhaps if the time comes where I feel less inspiration from the Kronos "as is," I'll take the leap. In the meantime, the difference between the two just isn't great enough for the expense.
In terms of playing live, I think they both fill the same space in the piano spectrum for me. Listening to your demo, I suspect the Austrian may cut through a mix a little better. The German hasn't been a problem for me in that regard, though it sounds from others on this board that it may be for them. For me, songs where the German may not cut through, the Japanese is probably a better choice anyway.
Again, thanks! You've done a great service to the Kronos community! _________________ Kronos 2 88, Kronos Classic 73, PX-5S, Kronos 2 61, Roli Seaboard Rise 49 |
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MRedZac Senior Member
Joined: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 374 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:21 am Post subject: |
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Concerning the SSD space, we already discussed the problem here: http://korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=68128
Now coming to the difference between German & Austrian Piano: In my personal opinion, there´s nothing, which is worth spending more than 200 Euro in this piano add-on, since the difference is really small. An amateur will not even hear a difference... So, that´s only stuff for people in love with filling up their ssd space _________________ Keys+Sound Sources: Kronos 61, X2, X3, i3, i30, SG pro X, nanoPAD2, Yamaha MU100R, 2x CME UF70, Behringer FCB-1010, Yamaha FC-7
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