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JFree · Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:37 pm Post subject: SW2 function in combi question

I have a string patch in slot 3 of a combi. On its own I have SW2 doing a toggle/octave switch. I can't figure out how to make it work in the combi. How do I see which controllers work with what in combi mode?

michelkeijzers · Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:02 pm Post subject:

I'm not 100% sure, but you should set the function of the SW2 like the setting in the program and make sure the MIDI Filter for switch 2 is enabled for slot (timbre) 3.
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JFree · Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:38 pm Post subject:

I just checked, it is, and disabled for the other parts.

ParadoxMachine · Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:08 pm Post subject:

In your program the SW2 button is assigned to octave up or down, and my guess that in your combi it is (as it's by default) assigned to Mod SW2. You can find this on the second page (eq/vector/control) and then the control tab. Here you can assign it to be an octave switch, but keep in mind that this will apply to all programs in your combi unless you filter it on the midi filter tab. Also, patches relying on the Mod SW2 source for modulation will not work as expected anymore.

JFree · Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:35 pm Post subject:

Tried that, moves everything regardless of filter settings.

X-Trade · Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:12 pm Post subject:

The difference is that if it is set to 'octave' controls then it will transpose which notes the keyboard itself sends. So setting it to this in Combi mode will also transpose the playing of all other timbres (and your keyzones will shift - or rather stay on the same notes). So it is the keyboard, not the program/timbres that are transposed.

If on the other hand the program uses an AMS routing for SW2 (or any other control) to Pitch, then setting the switch to SW2 will send the SW2 message, which can be filtered per program to respond the way it wants.
For example one program might be set to change the filter cutoff when it receives SW2, and another program may be set to transpose the sound down an octave when it receives the SW2.

You'll also notice that modulation like this happens instantly - hold a note and press SW2 and it will transpose, or the sound will change, or whatever.
If the switch is set to transpose the keyboard, then there will be no change in the currently held notes, until you play a different note.
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JFree · Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:47 am Post subject:

I appreciate all the input, tried it all and it just doesn't work. I must be missing something.

apex · Platinum Member Joined: 23 Feb 2010 Posts: 2340

Could it be the that the overall/main function of the sw2 switch is octave switch.... So it's over riding whatever you have set in the midi filter page?...
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apex · Platinum Member Joined: 23 Feb 2010 Posts: 2340

Maybe this has something in it that will help you out....

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=64977&highlight=
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JFree · Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:10 pm Post subject:

Ok...in Combi Mode the SW1 switch does what its supposed to, but not SW2?? Works fine in program mode. Assignments are correct in the "control view/effect" tab. Toggling the red dots in the MIDI filter tab works for SW1, but SW2 just won't work. Almost seems a bug at this point.

X-Trade · Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:28 pm Post subject:

What is SW2 set to in the Controllers page?
'Octave Down' or SW2 Mod?
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JFree · Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:48 pm Post subject:

SW2 mod

X-Trade · Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:11 pm Post subject:

JFree · Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:13 pm Post subject:

In program its set to "octave up"

X-Trade · Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:45 pm Post subject:

It's not going to work like that then.

Setting the switch to SW2 will send a CC that is assigned to the 'SW2' function. If a program is programmed to respond to that CC then it will react appropriately. equally you could assign a realtime knob to that same CC and you could achieve the same thing by turning the knob from left to right..

The 'controllers', along with other settings like drum-track, karma, effects, etc are kind of outside of the actual program - they are features that are available in both combi, sequencer, and program, so you can't literally have all the effects of a program for every timbre of a combi, just as you can't have all the controllers of a program in every timbre of a combi.. the combi instead has its own controller assignments that replace that.

So the 'octave up' and 'octave down' controls transpose the entire keyboard for that combi, and this occurs before the MIDI filter for each timbre, so it can't be applied on a per-timbre basis.

I suggest you re-read my previous post in this thread.

If you want to transpose a certain timbre, then you'll have to edit that program so that SW2 is routed to pitch and the amount is set to one octave. This is usually done by AMS but other engines may have different methods of routing modulation.
Note that if the switch is set to something other than SW2, then this won't actually have any effect. Pressing SW2 when it is set to 'Octave Down' won't send the SW2 message - it will just transpose the keyboard down.
There is this connection in that the switch has to be set for SW2 Mod in order to send the message for the program/timbre to respond to - and those kinds of messages can be filtered with the aforementioned checkboxes.
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