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Vlad_77 · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:16 pm Post subject: Outside of the box(es)

Okay, so we have this beast called Kronos and its papa known as OASYS. It's very hard to deny the incredible sonic possibilities of these instruments. I thought of making a poll but I feel this might be better for more interesting discussion.
How many of you like to take "real" sounds such as piano, strings, woodwinds, etc., and using any combination of KRONOS/OASYS engines like to use those instruments as the basis for sounds never before heard. My question stems from my intense interest in the sonic experiments The Beatles - especially John Lennon - did when they were still together. They pioneered many vistas that I would argue we haven't even approached since. So what about it? Anybody here have a desire to create a nasty lead based upon a sax but really sounds nothing like a sax?
This makes me think of what composers like John Cage would have thought of OASYS/KRONOS.

Ahimsa,
Vlad

PS: I still haven't figured out the spelling protocol. I know we capitalize OASYS,but I am unsure about KRONOS/Kronos :p
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zengomi · Full Member Joined: 06 Oct 2011 Posts: 120 Location: Tokyo

I like the trajectory of your query.

I'll add: Who "dares" to use Kronos to create music that its presets do not suggest?

BasariStudios · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:03 pm Post subject:

I do that ALMOST on a daily basis, from Sax i end up with Strings and
from Violin i end up with some Malmstein lead Guitar.
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cello · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:18 pm Post subject:

Yes, I wonder what silence, if composed by John Cage, would sound like on an OASYS... ? Wink

Joking apart, this is exactly what I try in lots of pieces. Sounds like something it isn't. That said, I've not exactly broken new ground with this - Tomita and Vangelis were doing this in the late 1970s.

But it's a lot of fun nonetheless Smile

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ParadoxMachine · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:34 pm Post subject:

I like using just a noise generator in the AL-1 and sculpt some sounds out of it. Using this I created flute/whistle kind of sounds, wind effects, etc.

zengomi · Full Member Joined: 06 Oct 2011 Posts: 120 Location: Tokyo

Some pudding, as proof, please!

BasariStudios · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:46 pm Post subject:

Puding?
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JPWC · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:56 pm Post subject:

How can you have any pudding, if you have not finished your meat? Shocked

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Sam CA · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: Outside of the box(es)

runningman67 · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:26 pm Post subject:

Theres a challenge there ! or is it just me and my competitive streak Question

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popmann · Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:15 am Post subject:

My main reason for buying (and never buying previous Korg boards) is emulation of real. 90% of my keyboard playing is my piano, Hammond, and electric pianos. For me, the Kronos is the best EP machine on the planet. Not JUST for the wonderful modeled engine, but the amazingly dynamic seemingly endless variations on digital EPs--from classic FM to 90s and all in between.

Since I have my Yamaha U3 and Hammond c3...I use those when doing my studio work--Kronos for EPs. But, should I need to go to another studio, I wouldn't hesitate to use the Kronos to cover all my bread and butter.

...but, I will throw this in about manipulation of "poor emulation"--I'm sampling a lot of custom sound design I did years ago in a Roland D70, and one of the critical components to many of the sounds was it various "acoustic gtr" samples. They sound really nothing like an acoustic guitar, but that sound was critical to why I could make the stacks I could in that board and none since. The synth Vox and strings and blown glass have gotten better and more harmonically rich--but, the acoustic guitars now sound more LIKE acoustic guitars--so, they don't serve the same function.

And to that...all EPs are effectively poor emulation of acoustic pianos--that just became their own thing.

michelkeijzers · Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:55 am Post subject:

@popmann: yes I also noted that I use far more often EPs than I used to do because they sound so good.

The cover band I play in I have quite some freedom in choosing what I play so I can replace an acoustic piano with EP or even add a non existing EP part.
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BasariStudios · Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:12 am Post subject:

RonF · Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:43 am Post subject:

I've got examples all over my songs (see link in my sig for pudding) where I use off-beat sound sources to build up other sounds.

Common examples: using a "piano" wave tuned into a sine (ish) wave with an LFO to create tremolo mixed into strings patches (adjust the amp attack to taste). Or pitch down a "sax" wave to find outstanding bass pads. Just about anything pushed through the MS20 filter section can take on a whole new character.

HD-1 is a very powerful engine when pushed to the extremes.
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