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michelkeijzers · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:24 pm Post subject:

Very creative ... I remember also a program for the Commodore 64 diskdrive that used the v snare (is that an english word?) to create music by letting it spin ... it was not really good for the drive but it sounded more or less musically.

Btw, the cards with holes reminds me of dutch (?) so called 'turn organs' where you have to turn a wheel that moves the paper with holes which is played by a big portable organ on wheels ... still used in cities on shopping days.
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Bruce Lychee · Platinum Member Joined: 16 Jun 2011 Posts: 856

cello · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:38 pm Post subject:

RonF · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:54 pm Post subject:

aron · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:02 pm Post subject:

> With all due respect for your experience, the bottom line is that if the user experience is crap, it really doesn't matter why.

What the heck? I am only commenting on the TIME that it could take.
Whatever - keep being in your bad mood and attitude. I'm amazed you can keep it up for so long.
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Bruce Lychee · Platinum Member Joined: 16 Jun 2011 Posts: 856

bastimuc · Joined: 12 Apr 2012 Posts: 1

It is very interesting to follow your posts and the discussion on the editor. It's sad that it is not the real, innovative killer application we all hoped it to be.

Actually, I would have ordered the K right away, if it was. For me (as a player in a hobby cover band) it is so important to work with intuitive and easy to use tools. The editor would have been a perfect opportunity to offer such an interface for the K...

John the Cloud · Joined: 12 Apr 2012 Posts: 3

On the Korg Website is says "The KRONOS Plug-in Editor (free download) lets you use KRONOS from within many popular DAW systems, as if it were a plug-in instrument. "

That is not really true because a plugin instrument has an audio element and a midi element. The plugin only seems to deal with midi. There's no way I can have the Kronos as a discrete audio source in my DAW mixer as I can with other VSTis.

Dan at Korg suggested some time ago that plugin would work in exactly the same way as a stereo plugin VSTi, and that is definitely not what we have got. So either I have completely misinterpreted what the plugin was going to be (and so has Dan), or the plugin has ended up being different from what was originally intended.

I don't regret purchasing the Kronos as it is a fantastic piece of kit, but I can't help feeling disappointed about the plugin. It should be just like a VSTi. The Kronos is capable of running as a soundcard, so I don't see any reason why it could not work as a VSTi as well as dealing with soundcard duties, or running as a VSTi in parallel with my other soundcard. It doesn't work that way, and I can't help feeling a bit cheated.
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RonF · Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:22 pm Post subject:

Well I totally get your point....and very "literally" you are correct.

But with the Kronos audio driver and the plugin as a midi effect, you certainly can use the Kronos hardware as if it were a plugin instrument. Its just not as slick as having it actually be a VST*i*. Rather you need to use two tracks, one midi, and one audio.

Not what we all expected....and I don't think its even what Korg expected when they first wrote that copy on the website to describe the plugin they thought they were going to produce. But alas...a year later... we have what we have. Its still very functional.....and in my view does not inhibit me from using the Kronos in my DAW....just with a few extra hoops to jump through. I'm more disappointed that the editor doesn't add a more efficient overview and way of editing the synth architecture.....but as far as recording the Kronos into my DAW....its all good, and the editor plugin actually adds quite a bit in this regard in its existing form.
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discocubsit · Joined: 08 Oct 2011 Posts: 4

I'm left thinking "why" and wondering how the virus ti (which is what, 8,9 years old now?) can be so slick and then krg serve up this doo doo.

Emagic Sound diver was the best of this bad breed of limited functionality compromise-ware in the late 90s, and it seemed clunky and way outdated then.

This isn't even up to that level.

It's laughable.

Why are people apologising for the cost of developing a utility for a £3000 imstrument which was sold as being provided with an integrated plug in editor?!

If korg were struggling with cost then make something decent (dare i say fitting theadvertised quality of the instrument) with more limited functionality, don't just lamely hand over some third rate Sys ex librarian and tell us how happy we should be with it.

I'm not normally a complainer but this has got my goat.

It's a top flight instrument and they sold us certain things.

It is certainly not what was described, or euphemistically alluded to in the sales literature!

Bad vibes korg!

Chriskk · Senior Member Joined: 10 May 2011 Posts: 349

afr · Senior Member Joined: 07 Oct 2005 Posts: 315

So, after 7 pages of comments and several threads, I did not see any intervention from Korg people saying:

"OK guys, we will try to do something better"

Good,we'll wait the launch of next EXs for sale before to read a new announcement

Now I understand the tease: Prepare to be amazed Laughing

kingtj · Junior Member Joined: 13 Feb 2002 Posts: 87

All I can say is that I shared the feelings most of you expressed.
I was *way* excited to hear the editor was FINALLY released, and then all of it was sapped away as soon as I realized what the editor and VST actually were.

I'm glad we at least have SOMETHING (and it actually runs in OS X too, which is a huge plus for me). But really -- outsourced to the Sound Quest people and produced so it looks just like the rest of their outdated looking code?

With all the praise that this was free from Korg, I'd have to say at this point, how about making the SOURCE CODE free as well? Then you could get other talented programmers to make improvements on the basic skeleton, and possibly wind up with something really nice (with no more expense to anyone at Korg).

I mean, honestly, the hard part is now complete, if this editor works reliably and mimics all the functions on the touch-screen of the Kronos. A developer can look at the code to answer any questions they might have about how a given parameter is manipulated. The MISSING part is all about re-thinking the UI for a computer screen, and maybe incorporating OTHER code into it for more functionality in one place. (Imagine if all of PCGTools features were part of the editor, integrated within it?)

michelkeijzers · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:13 pm Post subject:

I'm afraid a commercial company will never give their source code away; especially not if it contains building blocks/libraries that can be reused for new material to be developed (read: new supported synths in the future).

About PCG Tools: it would be nice if they can use my source code to be incorporated ... if they will contact me I will give the source code for them to add, but also chances are that it might not be compatible (different environment, programming language, supported OSs etc).

I see one solution but that is an immense job: add all the functionality of the editor inside PCG Tools. To be honest, I will not do it, at least not for every parameter because it would take years for me alone, but if others are interested I can help/support.

Meanwhile I continue adding features to PCG Tools, because that is feasible in the near future.
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