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[simur]

Hi,
I hope anyone could give me some tips for organizing custom programs and combis

I tried to edit a factory program A074 (Polysix engine) to create a synth bass for a new combi... When the program is quite close to the desired result, I tried to write it in another location (ex U-EE where I have a free bank), but it is not possible to save it in a user-EE bank.

My questions are:
1) I want to preserve all the factory programs that are used by factory combis, are there any factory programs banks that are not used by the combi?
2) Maybe I don't understand the basic structure and the organization on Kronos, but, I think I should copy a program to another location to create a new sound, without affecting all the combi related to the original, right? I know that there are several parameters that can be changed without affecting the original program, but in my case I have to change some of the Polysix parameters like the the waveform and turning the arp on...
3) Is it possibile to create a Polysix engine sound from scratch, starting form an init program in an user bank? I tried but I wasn't able to do it

[SanderXpander]

1. Not really, but there are empty banks available. Also see;
2. There are two kinds of user banks; HD-1 banks and EXi banks (EXi's are all programs that are not HD-1). You probably tried to save a PolySix program to an EXi bank. You can change the bank type in the global menu, but be aware that if you do so, you delete all the programs currently in that bank. The rest of your understanding seems to be correct.
3. Yes, if you switch oscillator types (say, between CX-1 and Polysix) in the BASIC tab, you get an "initialized" sound. It will still have some envelope action going on I think, but should be fairly easy to model the way you want it.

[simur]

Thanks, tomorrow I gonna try to understand the bank types, I suppose that if i want to do a program from scratch I have to start from an init program inside a HD-1 bank...

I let you know as soon as I can work on Kronos...

[ronnfigg]

This is what I do...
First some ground work...
If I am not mistaken, at boot up the Kronos does an auto-load of the factory settings with files named Pre Load (in the Factory folder). This guarantees you have what the Kronos shipped with.
Here are the steps I do.
1- go to Disk Mode
2- Make sure you are in the root directory (you should see nothing but folders) If not sure repeated press the “Up” button.
3- Go to the Utility tab
4- From the drop down menu (upper right) select "Create Directory"
5- In the text entry dialog box type a unique name for the directory (I name mine for the bands I work with) and click "OK". You will now see the new directory in the list.
6- Go to the "Save" tab.
7- Select the directory you created and select “Open”
8- Go to the dropdown menu and select “Save All”. In the Text Edit section of the dialog box give it a unique name. I generally name it the same as the Directory I created to keep confusion to a minimum. Click OK.
The Kronos will create all the necessary files and even though they are named differently, they are the same as the factory preload, but now you can edit to your hearts content, and if you ever need to get back to the factory state, you can reload the factory data.
Now here’s what you do after cold booting the Kronos-
1-Go to Disk Mode
2-Go to the “Load” tab
3-Find you Directory and open it
4-Select the PCG file and touch the red “Load” button
5-In the subsequent dialog box be sure to check all the available checkboxes and select “Append” with all the available radio buttons. This will ensure none of the data loaded when you booted gets overwritten.
6-Click OK and wait.
7-All of your user programs, edits, global settings, etc are intact.
8-After you sessions are complete, do another “Save All”. Note that you won’t have to retype the filename, unless you want to give it a new name.
I have done this since my Triton and it is a great file management procedure.
You can also create custom categories and sub-categories as they are saved as part of the PCG. Be sure any time you make changes in the “Global mode” that you “write” them from the dropdown menu, otherwise they won’t be saved with the PCG when you do a “save all”.
I also recommend backing up to external media for obvious reasons.
Let me know if this works for and if you need any clarification.
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[SanderXpander]

Any edits you make stay in the Kronos banks, just like in the Triton. There's no need to keep reloading the PCG file after booting, unless you use many different ones. In fact, if you forgot to save to disk after turning off the Kronos, you'll overwrite and lose all your work by loading the PCG file.

Your method is clean and comprehensive, but carries its own risks and seems on the whole a little "over the top" for someone who wants to edit a few patches. Don't forget there are 21x128 program locations to save to before needing to swap PCGs.

[ronnfigg]

my main reason for doing it this way is because I play with a large number of bands- as many as 7 at sometimes. styles range from country to rock to r&b. this keeps me from having to worry about changing programs, combis, set lists, et cetera, and how they might affect what I do with different bands. I have trained myself to always load the pcgs and always save the pcgs after a session. I also save everything to external media for archiving purposes. it works great when a band that I haven't played with in over a year asks me to work with them and I don't have to do any work on patches. it gives me more time to focus on the music. And 21 X 128 programs or combis (even with categories and sub categories) makes for a bit of searching. I come from the old days of minimoog programming, so having a way to save all of the parameters and programs has been a blessing and I use it to the utmost.
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