Lets talk FM (MOD-7)

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:22 am

Dan, i cant figure out since its more complex then a lot of other synths,
FM in Kronos, is it Linear or Exponential?
Also...how would i approach it to achieve Phase Distortion...i know it might
be possible but not as correct as CZ but is there any certain technique?
Anyone can input their thoughts please?

We can also expand the discussion, i am obsessed with FM and i wish people
would know what can MOD-7 do. Forget Samples, forget Physical Modeling,
forget anything. I find any other synthezis almost boring lately and i am talking
in general, not just Kronos...but this is Kronos related now.

I wonder if a lot of people here use FM on Novation, Nordlead, Alesis...
they can all do complex Frequency Modulation.

Thanks

Ksynth · Post by **Ksynth** » Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:13 pm

Have you tried Sytrus from FLStudio? I know it imports DX7 patches.

If so what did you think?

http://www.image-line.com/documents/flstudio.html

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:48 pm

I mostly used DX7, Novation, Nordlead, FM7/8 and now Kronos for FM Synthezis.
I never liked or worked with CW or FL. I can give it a try but do i need the whole
FruityLoops thing or i can use it as a standalone?
The only thing from them i love is Toxic Biohazard.

synthguy · Post by **synthguy** » Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:27 pm

I'm a long time FM addict too. It's amazingly expressive - and a pain in the kidneys to get out of it what you expect! Since I know nothing of Fourier wave math, that leaves me to fumble in the dark by trial and error, edit existing patches and what not. But the expression from a good FM patch is unbeatable. Which... tells me I need to get off of the intranets and back to the Kronos.

Ksynth · Post by **Ksynth** » Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:32 pm

BasariStudios wrote:I mostly used DX7, Novation, Nordlead, FM7/8 and now Kronos for FM Synthezis.
I never liked or worked with CW or FL. I can give it a try but do i need the whole
FruityLoops thing or i can use it as a standalone?
The only thing from them i love is Toxic Biohazard.

I think you can buy it as a standalone version (runs as a VST in any DAW).

They often have special sales.

Through the website there are some Sytrus videos. Probably heaps on Youtube.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:55 pm

SynthGuy, i was lucky enough few years back to take few courses on FM and
its helping me a lot. I am not a master of Theory on it but i can be a Master
of tweaking it. In most cases i usualy know what to do and go exactly where
i need to be to achieve something i already planned in my head. There is
nothing more expressive then this, with some of the Sounds especially
Violins and Clarinets i can challenge Kronos Samples anytime with MOD-7.

KSynth, thanks.

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:10 pm

If you want to treat Fm oscillators as standalone waveform generators then it's an
easy way to accomplish a sound creation , but isn't actually a FM result ,since modulation
& inter-modulation knowledge is required in case you want to predefine and design a
specific sound from scratch and not just fooling around with practical experiment !
I've designed DX II FD sounds that time period that still can found around in Fm patches.
But the fact is that FM synthesis although is outstanding for Pads, aggressive
metallic sounds and E.Pianos,, is far from creating real music instruments.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:15 pm

AntonySharmman wrote:is far from creating real music instruments.

Wait and i will prove you so wrong soon.

AntonySharmman wrote:since modulation
& inter-modulation knowledge is required in case you want to predefine and design a
specific sound from scratch and not just fooling around with practical experiment !

That is exactly what i am doing for years.

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:28 pm

BasariStudios wrote:Wait and i will prove you so wrong soon.

We're all ears to surprise us !

Ksynth · Post by **Ksynth** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:22 pm

Seen this? Its in French but looks like he knows his stuff re FM through Mod-7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtvkox_w ... re=related

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:32 pm

Deppends how you approach FM, for me it is the easiest even though is
probably one of the most complex synthezis forms. PD from Casio is similar
and i started with that...on that one you actually distord the Phase.
And yes, this guy knows his stuff too.

Dniss · Post by **Dniss** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:37 pm

Ksynth wrote:Seen this? Its in French but looks like he knows his stuff re FM through Mod-7

It's a very good tutorial! Shows you A to Z. From how to import fm patch to how to tweak them.

He explains each section of mod-7. It's good because not enough detail to loose a beginner but enough to get a good complete overview and get anyone going with mod-7.

He has another tutorial there that's just as good.

Coyote, please make more Kronos tutorial!

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:56 pm

Its a very nice video for beginers and how to import Sounds and stuff...
i am talking about more of a real FM deep programming from scratch.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:19 pm

AntonySharmman wrote:We're all ears to surprise us !

Look here:
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... 902#504902

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:11 pm

As of now the Set is finished, working on the Demos and waiting for Korg Inc, this is a bit different target, quality and price Set,
this is the List of Sounds: