M3 or Motif XS ?

salcerin · Post by **salcerin** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:24 pm

Even with all the spec for the M3,will not compete with
the Motif XS(355 mb)

I think Yamaha Motif It is a far way beyond M3!!

And Sound quality::: Motif has been always, The King!!

John01W · Post by **John01W** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:41 pm

salcerin wrote:Even with all the spec for the M3,will not compete with
the Motif XS(355 mb)

I think Yamaha Motif It is a far way beyond M3!!

And Sound quality::: Motif has been always, The King!!

It hasn't even come out yet lol! Don't forget, from what it looks like there are pcm libraries of some sort so the M3 could end up having just as much or close wave rom, and you can bet these will sound great

I say M3 all the way. Never dug the motif series, the M3 is the first Korg product in a while that is giving me serious gas.....

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:04 am

John01W wrote: It hasn't even come out yet lol! Don't forget, from what it looks like there are pcm libraries of some sort so the M3 could end up having just as much or close wave rom, and you can bet these will sound great
I say M3 all the way. Never dug the motif series, the M3 is the first Korg product in a while that is giving me serious gas.....

I think this has at least something to do with personal preference or your own subjective way of liking stuff. I say that for myself as well, in my reviews and articles as well.
I just had a nice chat with Stephen about the Mo XS. He seemed to like the very same sounds in that keyboard that I liked (EP's and stuff, I also really liked pads and pipe-kind of sounds). I'd say that using some company's stuff for a long time influences your view of future products at least a little bit.
Now, a couple of objective things. There's just one thing that XS has better-more of then M3, and that's sampling memory (up to 1GB vs up to 320MB). I think it's safe to say that KARMA really sounds a lot better then having four arpeggiators (although they sound a lot better when compared to older products). Touchscreen interface is, I think a better approach. Virtualized hardware and Komponent system are very well thought-of and good technologies. What it comes down to is this - I really believe that people will get more bang for the buck by buying M3. But, on average, people perhaps won't notice that (4 arps will sound similar to KARMA to them). But it's when you start to dig deeper when you see the differences.

ReIgnition · Post by **ReIgnition** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:35 am

Two NAMM Motif XS Video's

...scroll down to the XS

http://www.yamaha.com/namm/w2007/videos ... IVE&LGFL=N

They are pretty impressive.

bkboy · Post by **bkboy** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:36 am

Can we all just have a beer and chill?

I heard both the beasts - M3 and the XS and I want both. I think they will complement each other well. There is no reason for people to just choose one over the other, besides the financial stuff.

XS sounds way better than the ES before it, while the M3 still sounds like a Triton but with Karma and improved orchestral sounds like on the Oasys.

One thing I want to beat up Korg for is why they missed the knobs!!!

I would love to have a Radias engine in it after expansion, but no knobs????????? They even put cool knobs with circular LEDS on the R3 (which looks sexier than the M3)....why Korg why???

ReIgnition · Post by **ReIgnition** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:29 pm

bkboy wrote:Can we all just have a beer and chill?

I heard both the beasts - M3 and the XS and I want both. I think they will complement each other well. There is no reason for people to just choose one over the other, besides the financial stuff.

XS sounds way better than the ES before it, while the M3 still sounds like a Triton but with Karma and improved orchestral sounds like on the Oasys.

One thing I want to beat up Korg for is why they missed the knobs!!!

I would love to have a Radias engine in it after expansion, but no knobs????????? They even put cool knobs with circular LEDS on the R3 (which looks sexier than the M3)....why Korg why???

I think I'm going to purchase the Mostif XS7 and a Radias-R, this should give me the best of both world's.

sewa · Post by **sewa** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:09 pm

ReIgnition wrote:Two NAMM Motif XS Video's

...scroll down to the XS

http://www.yamaha.com/namm/w2007/videos ... IVE&LGFL=N

They are pretty impressive.

I couldn't find Bert's demos of Motif ES anymore but they were equally impressive. I really can't hear much improvement in the XS, except for the 4 arps.

bkboy · Post by **bkboy** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:42 am

sewa,

thats because yamaha hasn't released a good sounding demo yet like kay did for korg m3. i think we should all reserve our final judgement until april when we see and play them....i know for a fact that i will love them both, because i feel they both are very distinctive...

as far as motif xs sounding like its predecessor, thats not true at all...even in those live demos with bert, i heard a lot of nuances i found missing from the ES. ES is great, and if you re fan of analog modeling, why not keep it. but a visitor from the namm show told me that the XS synth sounds are even fatter than the plgan boards in the es....i have to wait and check it out!

mtps · Post by **mtps** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:39 am

With the Yamaha MOTIFs after long times playing the ear it is tired concerning the KORGs. The Yamaha has impressive acoustic sounds which are not in effect in the reality. They are not genuine. It would be good you hear that is heard a orchestra in the reality. The KORG has hot and diachronic sounds.

sirgant · Post by **sirgant** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:27 am

It's pretty simple for me, get both. I like the Yamaha and will use it for both live & studio, the Korg will be primarily a studio box.

Lorenzo · Post by **Lorenzo** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:37 am

MOTIF es and IMHO motif XS have good sounds, the acoustic area is far better than any korg workstation BUT... till yamaha will get rid of that stupid vibrato on some instrument samples like flute, violin etc etc its workstation will fit only for some purpouse... even on my motif es rack you can clarely hear the difference in the vibrato speed due to the key assignement of samples: this is real a pain if you want ie play a lento with a violin solo.
I would like to know if in the XS series they put in there some violin flute etc etc without that crazy vibrato.
regards, Lorenzo

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:02 am

Lorenzo wrote:BUT... till yamaha will get rid of that stupid vibrato on some instrument samples like flute, violin etc etc its workstation will fit only for some purpouse... even on my motif es rack you can clarely hear the difference in the vibrato speed due to the key assignement of samples: this is real a pain if you want ie play a lento with a violin solo.
I would like to know if in the XS series they put in there some violin flute etc etc without that crazy vibrato.

Excellent, so, I`m not crazy when i wrote that in my review. It`s really irritataing, on the XS as well. Really, totaslly strange and unncecesssary.

Vadim · Post by **Vadim** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:51 pm

definatly KORG M3!
I don't know why Yamaha is focusing so much on Acoustic recreation sounds, if synthesized or proccessed acoustic samples like we have in Korg sound much better. for example, i have two accordions in my house German Weltmeister and Russian Etude, and the only accordions that I use are the ones that are inside my KORG TRITON STUDIO ! because they sound better.
and i don't know why YAMAHA is really focusing on that key off in piano sounds, who knows, maybe those piano creators that invented piano gave all their strength to avoid that "glitch" note off sounds that YAMAHA tries so hard to recreate.
When most of the instruments were created there were no Synths, maybe if there would be synths in those eras everything whould be done in synth. I think if Bach, Beethoven, Mozart would of had this technology we have today they would be using mostly Computers and synths.
So why is the point to try so hard to recreate "live" instruments if in Keyboard they sound better.

Lorenzo · Post by **Lorenzo** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:00 pm

Vadim wrote: So why is the point to try so hard to recreate "live" instruments if in Keyboard they sound better.

maybe cos in live situation they fit better. Having both a triton classic and a rack es I can say their purpouse is very different, triton for studio and recording motif for live performances...
and about acoustic sounds, bass, guitars and piano and many electric guitar works far better on the motif es than on the triton... The two synths simply complete each other.
regards, Lorenzo

Aahx · Post by **Aahx** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:59 pm

laughing_bear wrote:
Sharp wrote:Does that make any sense ?.
Yes! ....and quite frankly.... I miss knobs....

As for design, it sure is a matter of taste, but that silver pink scheme doesn't float my boat.

Well, there are always those Tokyo Drift car modders who could do a custom paint job.

You know.. I like your idea there Bear.. heh.. course I could just get out the enamel paint.. and do it myself <grins>