Is the Kurzweil PC3 a M3 Killer?

ricky recordo · Post by **ricky recordo** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:52 pm

Wow tyrone, I thought Quantum Leaps Pianos were to ship in September.

The sample libraries get bigger and bigger, eh?

Mind you, Pianoteq is modelled (and fits into about 15MB of ROM), and it sounds pretty fine too! I guess Quantum leaps kills it, huh?

Vadim · Post by **Vadim** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:13 am

tyronediggs wrote:
Reason 3 - going to get rid of this soon as its sounds totally out of date compared to my other stuff.

don''t wanna go off topic here.. but.. I never liked reason's sound either, even FL's presets sound better that Reason, I wonder why so many poeple are using it, even pros.... all reason's sounds are missing top end...
but it has a few ok sounding orchestral stuff...

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:54 am

Yo Tyrone, enough with the crap, we are not on a competition here,
my PRO TOOLS system cost me quadruple then all your softs and synths.
Waves and UAD-1 cost me over 7000$ itself, lets not be kids please.
You came yestrday to this forum, no matter what you got and what
you know show some respect. Most of us already know and see who
you are...or when you came you thought you'll find a bunch of guys
singing...YO SUSSUP MODAF*CKA...well you were wrong, there is some
people with MUSIC and ENGINEERING GUTZ in here, i mean MUSIC...
no POEMS, take your crap somewhere else, nobody is competing in here.
I dont even know why me and some of us in here REPLY or pay attention
to you at all.

DONE!

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:56 am

One last thing to you, i see you got ENSEMBLE, very nice...well i never
had it, i use ROSETTA800...if you ever heard of...

tyronediggs wrote:Logic Pro - with Apogee Ensemble, Lacie.....

bctines · Post by **bctines** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:02 am

Martinhines said...

none of these Korean companies seem very interested in investing money for new synth development.

Bummer!

rfoshaug · Post by **rfoshaug** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:32 am

This is a fun thread to read.

Sounds a bit like two kids doing the old "my dad can beat up your dad" game, except here it is "my synth is better than your synth".

I do not own a Kurzweil. I've never played a Kurzweil and I don't even know if I have heard the sound of a Kurzweil. So I won't comment much on the Kurzweil sound. I've heard people say that Kurzweil has the best sound of any digital synth manufacturer ever, and I've heard people say that Kurzweil has good sound but not that good and that they don't understand what the fuzz is all about.

However, I believe that you can never conclusively state that "Kurzweil sounds better than Korg" or that "Yamaha Motif sounds better than Roland Fantom" or that "Moog sounds better than ARP" or "analog sounds better than digital".

To your ears one is better, to other ears the other is better. Personally, I've never liked the classic, phat, all-over-the-place-and-in-your-face "quack-quack" Moog sound, for example (although I have never played a Moog either, so I don't know if I have heard the best a Moog can do). But I can't state that Moogs sound bad - period, I can only state that in my opinion, I don't like the sound of Moogs as much as other synths.

So to state that one synth sounds better than another is a matter of personal taste in my opinion. Of course there are specifications to go by, such as sample rate, sample ROM/RAM amount, polyphony, synthesis parameters etc. But when it comes to the sound that actually comes out of the jack plugs, I might not like the same string sound as you do. Maybe to one specific pair of ears, the string sounds in an old and now "obsolete" Roland D50 are really dated and not as good as the Korg M3. To another pair of ears, the Roland D50's strings are timeless and just sound good. You can't really look at the specs, because everyone agrees that the string sounds in the D50 don't sound like actual chellos, violins and other acoustic string instruments. But to some people, they sound very nice in their own way.

Same thing with music genres. I think it's unfair to say that hip-hop or rap isn't music. I don't like hip-hop or rap either and don't see the musical value of it, but then again, I don't see the musical value in jazz! To me, jazz is just random notes played for what seems like an eternity with no start or end or structure. But I would be a bit bold if I were to state that jazz isn't music, because I know that other people see the value in it.

But what IS beyond any doubt, is that chocolate cake IS better than cheese cake. This I can prove.

bctines · Post by **bctines** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:05 pm

rfoshaug

I don't see the musical value in jazz! To me, jazz is just random notes played for what seems like an eternity with no start or end or structure.

Like patches, its subjective, of course. But in decent jazz there's as much structure as in a concerto, symphony, etc. AABA (like classical) is one of the simplest, and often it's much more complex. And that's just the tune itself. Good solos have a skeleton, too, let alone a foundation.

Not that it's a good example, but it's fascinating to listen to world-class drummers like Joe Morello, Jeff Hamilton, Buddy Rich, Max Roach (peace, brother) who are loaded with structure, yet listeners usually don't catch it because there's not the usual pitch melody they're used to in keys, brass, guitar, etc.

Sometimes one really has to screw on the ears real tight to catch the structure, tough, and I can certainly appreciate your remark. And there's jazz that's mainly just pyrotechnics with only the tune structure, sometimes not much of that.

Someone once wrote that creativity (of any kind) without structure (discipline) is a mess. Art is creativity under control. Painting, writing, hip-hop, jazz, rave, chamber music...all of it.

Want to start another thread about this?

And if so, Daz and/or Sharp: Where should we put it?

Besides...Lemon cake demonstrably beats everything

Daz · Post by **Daz** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:09 pm

bctines wrote:And if so, Daz and/or Sharp: Where should we put it?

General Music would be the right spot.

bctines · Post by **bctines** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:14 pm

Tnx. We'll see.

synthdogg · Post by **synthdogg** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:49 pm

bctines wrote:
Besides...Lemon cake demonstrably beats everything

Oh...NOW it's on!!!!!

jazzman1 · Post by **jazzman1** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:45 pm

synthdogg wrote:
bctines wrote:
Besides...Lemon cake demonstrably beats everything
Oh...NOW it's on!!!!!

I vote for home made German Chocolate

And yes Jazz can be a bunch of random notes just as Rapp,Classical,Pop,R&B ect.......But thats when it is played by copy cat want-to-be's and not seasoned musicains.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:48 pm

You ever tried SWISS from the ALPS?

...HASSELNUT...

Unknown Sound · Post by **Unknown Sound** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:16 pm

jazzman1 wrote:
synthdogg wrote:
bctines wrote:
Besides...Lemon cake demonstrably beats everything
Oh...NOW it's on!!!!!
I vote for home made German Chocolate

And yes Jazz can be a bunch of random notes just as Rapp,Classical,Pop,R&B ect.......But thats when it is played by copy cat want-to-be's and not seasoned musicains.

Oh come on...Apple Pie!

...and no, I'm not American!

-US.

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:28 pm

Unknown Sound wrote: Oh come on...Apple Pie!
...and no, I'm not American!
-US.

Come on, you guys don't know anything

Try Kremschnitte (I don't know what's the English word used for this one)

Check out the recipee: http://www.daskochrezept.de/chefkoch-re ... te_86.html

jazzman1 · Post by **jazzman1** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:40 pm

vEddY wrote:
Unknown Sound wrote: Oh come on...Apple Pie!
...and no, I'm not American!
-US.
Come on, you guys don't know anything Try Kremschnitte (I don't know what's the English word used for this one) Check out the recipee: http://www.daskochrezept.de/chefkoch-re ... te_86.html

Damn, musicians just cant agree on anything.