Hi,
I hope someone could tell me why the function “midi local off” doesn’t work correctly any more after installing the OS 3, 0. I can’t see what I’m doing wrong. I have spent many hours the last 3 months to find out a solution.
I always work with an external sequencer. When I play in style mode on my keyboard with the local control off, the midi notes are sent to my external sequencer and back to the sound generator, and it works very well. But after I have installed 3, 0, the integrated keyboard sends the note both to the sound generator and the midi output, so the midi notes overlap each other, and it sounds very terribly. I know I could just stop the midi thru on my sequencer but I can’t see why I should do this, when it worked fine in the OS 2.4, and the manual says something else. Here is what the Korg pa1x manual says on page 241:
Local On:
When you play the keyboard, MIDI data is sent to the internal sound generator. If tracks are
assigned to a MIDI OUT channel, data is also sent to the MIDI OUT port.
Local Off :
The keyboard is connected to the MIDI OUT, but cannot play the internal sound generator.
This is very useful when working with an external sequencer, and you send notes and various MIDI messages from the integrated keyboard and controllers to the external sequencer, and then let the sequencer send them back to the sound generator without overlapping.
I really do hope that someone can tell me what is wrong.
Regards Ole B
Pa1x" midi local of" doesn't work after os 3,0
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Rob Sherratt
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Hi Ole,
I also have OS3.01 installed. I just tried setting Local Off as per page 237 of the OS2.52 manual, and it works just fine. The local sound generator is turned off as expected.
What you do have to be careful about is that you do not have a MIDI note loop somewhere in your setup. Are you sure you have not been using the MIDI thru connection from the sequencer to connect to MIDI in on the Pa1x. This would create the MIDI note looping problem you described. If this is not thye problem then here is what I suggest you do to diagnose where the fault lies:
a) Disconnect all external equipment
b) Set Local ON, make sure the Pa1x sound generator generates sounds.
c) Set Local OFF, make sure the Pa1x sound generator is silent.
Assuming this is OK, then the fault is not with the Pa1x but is caused by a MIDI note loopback somehere.
d) Plug in your external sequencer with a MIDI lead going from MIDI out on the Pa1x to MIDI in on the sequencer, verify that with Local OFF on the Pa1x, the external sequencer records your MIDI note information as you play the PA1x.
e) Disconnect the lead you connected in step (d) and instead connect a MIDI lead from MIDI out on the sequencer to MIDI in on the Pa1x. Verify that when you play back the notes you previously recorded, the Pa1x sound generator plays the notes.
f) Ensure that your external sequencer does not loop note information from MIDI in to MIDI out. Yoiu can do this by connecting both MIDI in on the sequencer to MIDI out on the Pa1x and MIDI out on the sequencer to MIDI in on the PA1x. It should not loop MIDI note information (if it does then fix the problem in the set-up of the external sequencer).
Hope this helps.
Best regards,
Rob
I also have OS3.01 installed. I just tried setting Local Off as per page 237 of the OS2.52 manual, and it works just fine. The local sound generator is turned off as expected.
What you do have to be careful about is that you do not have a MIDI note loop somewhere in your setup. Are you sure you have not been using the MIDI thru connection from the sequencer to connect to MIDI in on the Pa1x. This would create the MIDI note looping problem you described. If this is not thye problem then here is what I suggest you do to diagnose where the fault lies:
a) Disconnect all external equipment
b) Set Local ON, make sure the Pa1x sound generator generates sounds.
c) Set Local OFF, make sure the Pa1x sound generator is silent.
Assuming this is OK, then the fault is not with the Pa1x but is caused by a MIDI note loopback somehere.
d) Plug in your external sequencer with a MIDI lead going from MIDI out on the Pa1x to MIDI in on the sequencer, verify that with Local OFF on the Pa1x, the external sequencer records your MIDI note information as you play the PA1x.
e) Disconnect the lead you connected in step (d) and instead connect a MIDI lead from MIDI out on the sequencer to MIDI in on the Pa1x. Verify that when you play back the notes you previously recorded, the Pa1x sound generator plays the notes.
f) Ensure that your external sequencer does not loop note information from MIDI in to MIDI out. Yoiu can do this by connecting both MIDI in on the sequencer to MIDI out on the Pa1x and MIDI out on the sequencer to MIDI in on the PA1x. It should not loop MIDI note information (if it does then fix the problem in the set-up of the external sequencer).
Hope this helps.
Best regards,
Rob
Hi Rob,
Thanks for the reply. But I really didn’t get it. Maybe I haven’t clearly explained how I work with my Pa1xpro, sorry for that. At the moment I play with the os 2.54, because it does not work in the later version. Here is how I route my midi equipment:
I play in style mode with local OFF, all style midi channels set to their respective midi output.
If I now hit the start button and play some chords, the style arranger starts to play and sends midi to the midi output, but not to the sound generator. The “local OFF” worked as it should do. My sequencer reads the incoming midi data and loops it back to the Pa1 sound generator which I have set up to receive midi on their respective channels. Now I can play the keyboard and at the same time record all the midi data, and it worked very fine. If it was not so, I can’t see why we have the function “local OFF”, and here I do not only talk about Korg Instruments.
I have played and am still playing with many keyboards, samplers, midi controller, korg M1 I2 Roland Technic Yamaha Miditemp and so on, and at the moment I use a Behringer motorized midi fader controller, and it also works fine with local off, but again not in os 3.0
Here a little wish to the korg engineers. Future keyboards make the faders motorized; it is very nice to have.
Maybe korg changes the way it works, but I can’t see why they should have done that, and it has not been written somewhere.
My Conclusion of this is to get the os 3,0 and bee happy for all the new things and then go back to os 2,54 and get it to work.
Or maybe it is just me who is totally wrong.
Best regards
Ole
Thanks for the reply. But I really didn’t get it. Maybe I haven’t clearly explained how I work with my Pa1xpro, sorry for that. At the moment I play with the os 2.54, because it does not work in the later version. Here is how I route my midi equipment:
I play in style mode with local OFF, all style midi channels set to their respective midi output.
If I now hit the start button and play some chords, the style arranger starts to play and sends midi to the midi output, but not to the sound generator. The “local OFF” worked as it should do. My sequencer reads the incoming midi data and loops it back to the Pa1 sound generator which I have set up to receive midi on their respective channels. Now I can play the keyboard and at the same time record all the midi data, and it worked very fine. If it was not so, I can’t see why we have the function “local OFF”, and here I do not only talk about Korg Instruments.
I have played and am still playing with many keyboards, samplers, midi controller, korg M1 I2 Roland Technic Yamaha Miditemp and so on, and at the moment I use a Behringer motorized midi fader controller, and it also works fine with local off, but again not in os 3.0
Here a little wish to the korg engineers. Future keyboards make the faders motorized; it is very nice to have.
Maybe korg changes the way it works, but I can’t see why they should have done that, and it has not been written somewhere.
My Conclusion of this is to get the os 3,0 and bee happy for all the new things and then go back to os 2,54 and get it to work.
Or maybe it is just me who is totally wrong.
Best regards
Ole
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Rob Sherratt
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Hi Ole,
My OS3.01 Pa1x Pro works fine with Local Off, sends all the notes to my computer (running Cakewalk Pro and Band in a Box) and does not sound the Pa1x's tone generators unless I tell the computer software to implement Midi note looping from In to Out.
I can verify that there is no such fault as you describe in OS3.01 although I have not tried to create the problem in OS3.00.
There have been occasions when some users have corrupted the local settings by loading .set files thyat were designed eg for OS2.5 into OS3.00 and OS3.01. For this reason Paolo (Korg) suggested that all users lock the Global memory before loading old .set files.
Best regards,
Rob
My OS3.01 Pa1x Pro works fine with Local Off, sends all the notes to my computer (running Cakewalk Pro and Band in a Box) and does not sound the Pa1x's tone generators unless I tell the computer software to implement Midi note looping from In to Out.
I can verify that there is no such fault as you describe in OS3.01 although I have not tried to create the problem in OS3.00.
There have been occasions when some users have corrupted the local settings by loading .set files thyat were designed eg for OS2.5 into OS3.00 and OS3.01. For this reason Paolo (Korg) suggested that all users lock the Global memory before loading old .set files.
Best regards,
Rob
Hi Rob
O.K.
I will give it a try, with a clean new os 3.01 in the coming week
But I don’t think it will help.
I can tell I use cubase 2, and I send midi from my Pa1 to cubase and immediately
Send it back to Pa1 again, and It works fine, and so I mean it should bee,
Else I don’t see the meaning of “local of”
Best regards Ole
O.K.
I will give it a try, with a clean new os 3.01 in the coming week
But I don’t think it will help.
I can tell I use cubase 2, and I send midi from my Pa1 to cubase and immediately
Send it back to Pa1 again, and It works fine, and so I mean it should bee,
Else I don’t see the meaning of “local of”
Best regards Ole
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Rob Sherratt
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Hi Rob
Yes all works fine with the old OS 2.54, but not in 3.0 or 3.01
I works a lot with my Behringer BCF2000 midi controller, which i direct
has insert in pa1 midi out and input, and it works fine too in OS 2.04
so i think the problem is that korg maybe have change it in their new system. But i will give it a try again
Regards Ole
Yes all works fine with the old OS 2.54, but not in 3.0 or 3.01
I works a lot with my Behringer BCF2000 midi controller, which i direct
has insert in pa1 midi out and input, and it works fine too in OS 2.04
so i think the problem is that korg maybe have change it in their new system. But i will give it a try again
Regards Ole
Hi again
Just finish a test with Korg OS.2.54 versus 3.01.
Here I descript the differents between the OS, when I play a style with a normal split mode, and have set up the respective style channel midi in and out on the midi mode page, and set the local to of
I use the MIDI-OX midi monitor on my pc, so I exact can see what happens, when the midi data reach MIDI-OX, it will directly be sent back to my Pa1xpro
Here is what happens when I play some chords with the accompaniment playing
1) OS. 2.54:
The style accompaniment starts, and send midi to my Pc and send it directly back to
The Pa1, and there is no problem, all sounds perfect.
And if I remove the midi line to the Pc, all is silent
Conclusion, the “local of” works perfect
2) OS. 3.01
The style accompaniment starts, and send midi to my Pc and send it directly back to
the Pa1, but at same time the accompaniment sends data to the sound generator independent of the incoming Midi data from Pc. Therefore the sound generator get information from 2 sources, because of a little delay from pc it sound terrible. This is the same if I use a midi controller as insert in Pa1 midi system.
Hope someone could help me understand the meaning of this
Is it the same in the new Pa2
Well maybe I just should be glad for the OS 3.01. And throw my midi controller out the window, and forget all about external sequencer
Sorry, for my bad English,
Best regards Ole
Just finish a test with Korg OS.2.54 versus 3.01.
Here I descript the differents between the OS, when I play a style with a normal split mode, and have set up the respective style channel midi in and out on the midi mode page, and set the local to of
I use the MIDI-OX midi monitor on my pc, so I exact can see what happens, when the midi data reach MIDI-OX, it will directly be sent back to my Pa1xpro
Here is what happens when I play some chords with the accompaniment playing
1) OS. 2.54:
The style accompaniment starts, and send midi to my Pc and send it directly back to
The Pa1, and there is no problem, all sounds perfect.
And if I remove the midi line to the Pc, all is silent
Conclusion, the “local of” works perfect
2) OS. 3.01
The style accompaniment starts, and send midi to my Pc and send it directly back to
the Pa1, but at same time the accompaniment sends data to the sound generator independent of the incoming Midi data from Pc. Therefore the sound generator get information from 2 sources, because of a little delay from pc it sound terrible. This is the same if I use a midi controller as insert in Pa1 midi system.
Hope someone could help me understand the meaning of this
Is it the same in the new Pa2
Well maybe I just should be glad for the OS 3.01. And throw my midi controller out the window, and forget all about external sequencer
Sorry, for my bad English,
Best regards Ole
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Hi Ole,
I am using OS3.01 and Local Off works fine. When I play with sequencer etc, no sound comes from the Pa1x sound generator, and all MIDI notes including those from the on-board ryhthm/backing sequence generator are sent to the external sequencer.
If I record everything on the external sequencer and then play it back via MIDI In on the Pa1x, everything sounds perfect.
So there is something wrong in the configuration of your Pa1x after you have loaded OS3.01. But this is only on your keyboard and it is not a software fault that affects all users. So forgive me for checking some pretty basic things, but I am trying to work out what has gone wrong when you loaded OS3.01, in order to help you ...
Did you clear your Pa1x memory while loading OS3.01 (see posts from Karmathanever and Wittid on this) ? Did you load Musical Resources 3.00 after doing the OS3.01 upgrade? Any errors while loading?
Have you loaded any user .set files after loading OS3.01 and Musical Resources 3.00 ? Some old user .set files can corrupt global settings.
Have you changed any MIDI parameters in the Global memory? With the exception of Local Control being set to OFF, every page of the GLOBAL -> MIDI settings should be exactly the same as shown in the OS2.52 manual. Can you please verify this ?
Hope this helps diagnose the problem.
If anyone else has additional bright ideas to help Ole, please chip in ...
Also if you use OS3.01 please confirm if Midi Local Off works OK (everything on your keyboard should be silent and all notes should be sent to MIDI Out).
Best regards,
Rob
I am using OS3.01 and Local Off works fine. When I play with sequencer etc, no sound comes from the Pa1x sound generator, and all MIDI notes including those from the on-board ryhthm/backing sequence generator are sent to the external sequencer.
If I record everything on the external sequencer and then play it back via MIDI In on the Pa1x, everything sounds perfect.
So there is something wrong in the configuration of your Pa1x after you have loaded OS3.01. But this is only on your keyboard and it is not a software fault that affects all users. So forgive me for checking some pretty basic things, but I am trying to work out what has gone wrong when you loaded OS3.01, in order to help you ...
Did you clear your Pa1x memory while loading OS3.01 (see posts from Karmathanever and Wittid on this) ? Did you load Musical Resources 3.00 after doing the OS3.01 upgrade? Any errors while loading?
Have you loaded any user .set files after loading OS3.01 and Musical Resources 3.00 ? Some old user .set files can corrupt global settings.
Have you changed any MIDI parameters in the Global memory? With the exception of Local Control being set to OFF, every page of the GLOBAL -> MIDI settings should be exactly the same as shown in the OS2.52 manual. Can you please verify this ?
Hope this helps diagnose the problem.
If anyone else has additional bright ideas to help Ole, please chip in ...
Also if you use OS3.01 please confirm if Midi Local Off works OK (everything on your keyboard should be silent and all notes should be sent to MIDI Out).
Best regards,
Rob
Hi
Now I have done test on the new Pa2,
I’ve today been calling a friend, who has got the new Pa2. And asked him to perform some test with “local of”, and it is exactly the same problem as I have described with the OS. 3.01. So now I’m nearly sure they have change the way it works,
But if it’s so, why doesn’t korg give us customer a little briefing on the changes they made.
Instead we user should spend a lot of time on it. And I do not see why it should be change, when it worked fine in 2.54.
Hope there is sitting a Korg engineer in the corner, and could explain me why
If someone else likes to do a test on it, I could send the OS 2.54.
I found a new way to easily see the different without any midi connection
Hit the start button with the local control set to of (not to hard, I had broken button too, but that’s another history)
Os 2.54
The keyboard is quiet (all the midi data is send to the respective midi output)
Os 3.01
You here the styles channel is playing, only the integrated keyboards note are quiet (all midi data is send to respective output at same time)
Best Regards
Ole
Now I have done test on the new Pa2,
I’ve today been calling a friend, who has got the new Pa2. And asked him to perform some test with “local of”, and it is exactly the same problem as I have described with the OS. 3.01. So now I’m nearly sure they have change the way it works,
But if it’s so, why doesn’t korg give us customer a little briefing on the changes they made.
Instead we user should spend a lot of time on it. And I do not see why it should be change, when it worked fine in 2.54.
Hope there is sitting a Korg engineer in the corner, and could explain me why
If someone else likes to do a test on it, I could send the OS 2.54.
I found a new way to easily see the different without any midi connection
Hit the start button with the local control set to of (not to hard, I had broken button too, but that’s another history)
Os 2.54
The keyboard is quiet (all the midi data is send to the respective midi output)
Os 3.01
You here the styles channel is playing, only the integrated keyboards note are quiet (all midi data is send to respective output at same time)
Best Regards
Ole
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Rob Sherratt
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Hi Ole,
I confirm that the same thing happens on my Pa1x when I do exactly what you are doing. It does appear to be an undocumented change in the operation of Local Off. I agree with you that Korg need to fix this problem in the Pa1x and Pa2x. I will send a note to Paolo Tramannoni to ask him for comments/ advice.
Regards,
Rob
I confirm that the same thing happens on my Pa1x when I do exactly what you are doing. It does appear to be an undocumented change in the operation of Local Off. I agree with you that Korg need to fix this problem in the Pa1x and Pa2x. I will send a note to Paolo Tramannoni to ask him for comments/ advice.
Regards,
Rob
(not sure my problem is similar to yours).
I use a Clavia Electro2 midi connected (channel 1) to my PA1X in local off mode and play the B3 sounds of the Electro with my PA1X.
I noticed sometimes I have an other sound with the B3 Electro sound.
I fixed the problem by setting the upper1 sound to "Empty" so I only have the sound of the Electro played by the PA1X and the extra sound has disappeared.
I use a Clavia Electro2 midi connected (channel 1) to my PA1X in local off mode and play the B3 sounds of the Electro with my PA1X.
I noticed sometimes I have an other sound with the B3 Electro sound.
I fixed the problem by setting the upper1 sound to "Empty" so I only have the sound of the Electro played by the PA1X and the extra sound has disappeared.
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I'm hope Paolo Tramannoni won't mind me saying that Korg have registered this "Local Off" problem, and are currently looking into it.
Paolo also said that he is sorry he hasn't had time lately to contribute to the threads on the forum, but he has some very pressing project deadlines inside Korg.
Best regards,
Rob
Paolo also said that he is sorry he hasn't had time lately to contribute to the threads on the forum, but he has some very pressing project deadlines inside Korg.
Best regards,
Rob