How do I get M1? I want to complete my Legacy Collection.

[Shy]

I have KLC-1, KLC-1 1.2 upgrade (dongle), KLC Analog Edition 2007. So I have everything but M1. Is there no way to add M1 to complete my "Collection"?

[loggerkey]

You must buy the Digital Edition!

[Shy]

Well, obviously paying $150 for a package of which half I already own is a ridiculous option. I don't understand why there's no option to buy M1 separately, without Wavestation and MDE-X which I already have. I had the option to get Mono/Poly separately.

[brzilian]

Well, obviously paying $150 for a package of which half I already own is a ridiculous option. I don't understand why there's no option to buy M1 separately, without Wavestation and MDE-X which I already have. I had the option to get Mono/Poly separately.

You don't already half own it. The Wavestation you have is not the same as the one that comes with KLC-DE.

[MartinHines]

Well, obviously paying $150 for a package of which half I already own is a ridiculous option.

Korg switched the contents of their products around a little over time. When Korg decided to release the KLC-DE, they stopped making updates to the Wavestation version in KLC-1. KLC-1 has Wavestation v1.2, while KLC-DE has Wavestation v1.6. Also, if you were to buy the KLC-AE2007 now it does not include Wavestation.

The current Korg sofware lineup (KLC-AE2007 and KLC-DE) separates analog synths from the digital ones.

At least in the U.S. as an existing KLC-1 or KLC-AE2007 owner you can buy the KLC-DE at the "preferred owner" price of $99 (scroll to the bottom of this page):
http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?a_pro ... egory_id=8

You buy it through the Korg USA Online Store, and I think it includes free shipping:
http://www.korgusa.com/korgusa/items.as ... ftware&Bc=

I think $99 is a very fair price to get the KLC-DE (I took advantage of this same offer).

[Shy]

Thanks for the clarification. Well, that's wonderful. I had no idea the version of Wavestation I have is no longer supported. So, IF my local distributor offers this (I'm not in US), I could get KLC Digital Edition for a 33% discount. Not 50%. For some reason I have to pay $25 just to be able to get the latest version of something I already bought.

That makes me worry that in the future, we'll have more forced "special deals" for "preferred customers".

Thanks, Korg, but I'll just pass on M1.

[Ben Hall]

Well, it's £100 here for a new boxed copy (about $200) and considering that originally an M1, WS, and all the cards would run you something like $8000, it seems pretty good value for money.

If you think the M1, all it's sound content, and lots of new content for the WS isn't worth £50 to you, then that's your prerogative.

And it's my prerogative to think you're nuts...

Stuff is way too cheap these days. I remeber the days when a single bank of M1 sounds would run you £80 or so - and that's just patches, not even new PCM content...

[Synthoid]

Well, it's £100 here for a new boxed copy (about $200) and considering that originally an M1, WS, and all the cards would run you something like $8000, it seems pretty good value for money.

Agreed. I really have enjoyed the Legacy Digital Edition. It's worth the $$$.

Plus--all the additional free patches available online.

[gravehill]

Yeah, the M1 is truly amazing. I find I'm using M1 much more than Wavestation which was what I was most interested in when I bought them.

[Shy]

If you think the M1, all it's sound content, and lots of new content for the WS isn't worth £50 to you, then that's your prerogative.

And it's my prerogative to think you're nuts...

And it's my prerogative to think you simply don't understand that it's not about whether I think its price is worth it or not, it's about paying an additional cost just to get a new version of a plugin that does the exact same thing as the version I already have, only with bug and possibly quality fixes. If it was some plugin with new features (which it obviously isn't, a Wavestation is a Wavestation), maybe it would be justified.

If you think prices are "way too cheap nowadays", maybe you should buy the KLC packages several times to feel better.

[dave]

...it's about paying an additional cost just to get a new version of a plugin that does the exact same thing as the version I already have, only with bug and possibly quality fixes. If it was some plugin with new features (which it obviously isn't, a Wavestation is a Wavestation), maybe it would be justified.

Not true. The revised Wavestation plug-in comes with a new resonant filter not present on either the original hardware or in the older software version you possess, as well as an extra card bank showing off this new capability.

Kind regards.

[MartinHines]

I had the option to get Mono/Poly separately.

This is incorrect. As an existing owner of KLC-1 you were able to upgrade to KLC-AE2007, but the KLC-AE2007 software (i.e. the installer) contains more than the Mono/Poly.

Thanks for the clarification. Well, that's wonderful. I had no idea the version of Wavestation I have is no longer supported.

Your version is still "supported", meaning tech support.

I could get KLC Digital Edition for a 33% discount. Not 50%. For some reason I have to pay $25 just to be able to get the latest version of something I already bought.

When you buy any software, there is no guarantee that the developer will continue to update that product forever, and definitely no guarantee all updates will be free.

That makes me worry that in the future, we'll have more forced "special deals" for "preferred customers".

There is nothing "forced" about it. You can continue to use your Wavestation v1.2 with your existing computer forever -- no one is forcing you to buy the newer version.

Thanks, Korg, but I'll just pass on M1.

The KLC-DE, with the M1 EX and all additional ROM cards, and the T-series with all of the optional disks, is easily worth $149, even forgetting about the Wavestation. I don't know anyone who has regretted buying the KLC-DE, and all of the people I know paid full price.

[Shy]

I had the option to get Mono/Poly separately.

This is incorrect. As an existing owner of KLC-1 you were able to upgrade to KLC-AE2007, but the KLC-AE2007 software (i.e. the installer) contains more than the Mono/Poly.

It contains more than Mono/Poly and it's an entire package to others, but to KLC-1 owners it's in fact advertised by Korg as an upgrade to get Mono/Poly.

Thanks for the clarification. Well, that's wonderful. I had no idea the version of Wavestation I have is no longer supported.

Your version is still "supported", meaning tech support.

Based on the amount of "support" from Korg I've seen in threads here, I can just hope that's true.

I could get KLC Digital Edition for a 33% discount. Not 50%. For some reason I have to pay $25 just to be able to get the latest version of something I already bought.

When you buy any software, there is no guarantee that the developer will continue to update that product forever, and definitely no guarantee all updates will be free.

Did I say I expect Korg to keep updating these products forever? I merely expect to be able to get updates for a product for a sensible amount of time without having to pay extra. If anyone claims that Korg's addition of some filter and GUI changes to a newer version means that it's justified and so worth it or whatever, that's just fine, but I don't like that. However, I far more dislike the non-US customers discrimination. The distributor here acknowledges nothing about any kind of deal.

That makes me worry that in the future, we'll have more forced "special deals" for "preferred customers".

There is nothing "forced" about it. You can continue to use your Wavestation v1.2 with your existing computer forever -- no one is forcing you to buy the newer version.

The "forced" part came from the fact that I thought the older version is no longer updated or supported and that if someone wants a trouble free software they'd have to upgrade with such a special deal.

Thanks, Korg, but I'll just pass on M1.

The KLC-DE, with the M1 EX and all additional ROM cards, and the T-series with all of the optional disks, is easily worth $149, even forgetting about the Wavestation. I don't know anyone who has regretted buying the KLC-DE, and all of the people I know paid full price.

I look at more than the money. I have enough money to get several copies if I wanted, and I still couldn't care less about how much it's "worth it" money-wise. If I don't like the way the company handles their stuff and customers, to me it's not worth it.

[MartinHines]

Based on the amount of "support" from Korg I've seen in threads here, I can just hope that's true.

Just to clarify, this is NOT an official Korg Support forum. This is a USER Forum. There are some Korg people who pop in here from time to time but this is NOT the official way to get support.

The "Official" Korg Product Support is provided by your Korg Country Distributor, who has dedicated support people:
http://www.korg.co.jp/English/Distributors/index.html

The "forced" part came from the fact that I thought the older version is no longer updated or supported and that if someone wants a trouble free software they'd have to upgrade with such a special deal.

There is no question that Korg created a confusing situation by moving one product from one bundle to the other (i.e. moving Wavestation from KLC to KLC-DE).

I don't like the way the company handles their stuff and customers, to me it's not worth it.

Not buying the KLC-DE is definitely your perogative, but you really will be missing out on alot. Your original question regarded how do you get the M1. The "answer" is Korg decided to create a separate product (KLC-DE) that just happens to be bundled with the Wavestation. Korg was definitely not obligated to treat the M1 as simply an add-on to the KLC-1.

I own both the KLC-AE2007 and the KLC-DE, and I think both are great products.