Mr. tramannoni PLEASE can you HELP, please!

[AVI6520]

Mr. tramannoni PLEASE can you HELP, please!

It is "hell" to work with "Quick Record" [Backing Sequence], and it is not "Quick" record if you have made a mistake with KB' note's when you playing the 3 up in the record.

The only way that I have found, is to record again...!
And it is not "Quick" when you need to record all the song from beginning, in particular if you will make a new mistake again!

BECAUSE if the mistake's with the note's when playing the 3 up together, the only possibility is or-
In "Multitrack Sequence" to fix it separately, track after track, 3 times!
[Because that there is no way there to record more then one track at one time!]
[And you can not be sure that the timing will be equal]
Or- in "Event edit"- 3 times that good for programmers, not for fixing with playing the KB.

Very Very Very Very Very Very Very missing – the ability of "Auto punch" or "Pedal punch" in "Quick Record" [Backing Sequence]!
It is the simple solution for all!
And make the "Quick Record" to be truly "Quick"!
And the PA800 easy for professional work!

My wife making movies for school's and I need to make the music for it,
There is times that there are new song's to play and you do not have the time to practice, or time that you compose, and the "Auto punch" or "Pedal punch" in "Quick Record" are very required!!!

Please, if you can do something for that in korg, because you are the only one that we can asked to, there is no other way to ask them….!

And another important thing [bug?] that no one respond to it,
I have written about it in this forum ["Post subject: Bug? There is a problem that the sound's in the STS become…"].
Is it a bug...?
Will they fix it?

AND Lyrics for all language…[Hebrew, and other…]
Or bmp\jpg format for lyrics,
Are korg going to do something with it?

Please help us!!! Please.

BEST BLESSING TO YOU,
AVI.

[karmathanever]

Hi AVI
Paolo explained a long time ago that the "backing Sequencer" was not a priority when designing the PA1X models. I have come from the i3 and i30 keyboards and they had a brilliant backing sequencer with extensive editing. A fair bit of this has been removed from the PAnX series.

To fix mistake's of the chords you can change them in "Step Backing Sequence", but can not change the place [time] in the measure, or to add new one.

I do not own a PA2XPro but I can do this perfectly OK on my PA1XPro - chord events can be changed/removed/added at any location on my PA1XPro.
Maybe someone else who has the PA2XPro can try this - could be a bug????

cheers

Pete

[AVI6520]

Hi AVI
Paolo explained a long time ago that the "backing Sequencer" was not a priority when designing the PA1X models. I have come from the i3 and i30 keyboards and they had a brilliant backing sequencer with extensive editing. A fair bit of this has been removed from the PAnX series.

I do not own a PA2XPro but I can do this perfectly OK on my PA1XPro - chord events can be changed/removed/added at any location on my PA1XPro.
Maybe someone else who has the PA2XPro can try this - could be a bug????

cheers

Pete

TENK YOU for your Response "karmathanever".

"backing Sequencer" was not a priority when designing the PA1X models...
[but at the end you wrote -"on my PA1XPro - chord events can be changed/removed/added at any location on my PA1XPro"
Is it a PA?

If PA800 pretent to be professional for work, there is no way that korg will live things that you can not do with it, at least with basic work,
If we want only "sound" we can bay simple organ in quarter price of the PA800, and use it with cubasis [I have the cubasis 4!...].

If the PA has 2 sequencer and was built to play live with midi, or mp3,
korg can not live it with "bugs" in "sound" when playing with midi!
And the same idea about working with records or any option there,
You can not leave product with missing options! [that need to work IN the PA]

If I have "profeessional arranger" [read the manual... I did not printed it...] and in the end there is no one in KORG that i can speak with... and i can use it like an organ and need the cubasis,
So, for what I will buy an expensive PA?
[KORG WORDS WAS-"we knew what we needed to do to develop the complete professional Arranger keyboard - the new Pa800!]

You can not test evry thing before you buy it! [and you need to learn it before!], at least, that will be someone in KORG, to speak to us and tell us if they are going to fix it or do new things with new os?

Mr. tramannoni paolo is wonderful!
and KORG owing to him a lot, he is doing the work that KORG should do with there customers! - communication!

with hope that KORG will continu with good product in good price,
and new updates- "Not only you can expand your Pa800, you can also easily keep it new with operating system updates.....". [-KORG WORDS!]

cheers,
AVI. HAPPY PA800 USER!

[Rob Sherratt]

To fix mistake's of the chords you can change them in "Step Backing Sequence", but can not change the place [time] in the measure, or to add new one. If there is a way, please teach me…..!

Hi Avi,

Strange ... I don't understand what you are asking for, because I don't think there are any "bugs" or missing features in the functionality. Maybe you could be a bit more specific about what you feel does not work for you?

For example, I think the event editor for backing sequences is very good. You can certainly move events in time as documented on page 204 of the Pa2x manual. Also you can quantize as explained on page 206 of the Pa2x manual if you want to align all notes exactly.

Maybe the videos will help you when they arrive - event editing and step backing sequence recording and quantizing are covered thoroughly.

The procedure for moving notes in time is identical on Pa1x, Pa800 and Pa2x.

Best regards,
Rob

[BasariStudios]

As i said many times...we take words wrong...if it says PROFESIONAL
we expect the intrument to come with an SSL console too...it just doesnt
work like that. A Profesional Arranger means just an ARRANGER and not
a WORKSTATION or a great SEQUENCER, thats why there is TRITON or M3.
Once we see the word PROFESIONAL and we expect everything, no, sorry
but thats wrong...PA800 is an ARRANGER and it is not a STUDIO WORKSTATION
to give you great Sequencing abilities, you can just dream about it.
And no, KORG didnt lie nor stole our money, for the money we paid for
those synths they gave us a lot more, a lot more then 3500$ T2 or 3500$ E80.
So suck it up and do some work, dont expect a 20 000 POUNDS trailer truck
to carry 50 000 POUNDS load, cuz you paid only for the 20 000 truck.

[karmathanever]

Hi AVI

[but at the end you wrote -"on my PA1XPro - chord events can be changed/removed/added at any location on my PA1XPro"
Is it a PA?

Correct - my keyboard IS a PA
The Backing Sequencer in the Korg i3 and i30 was far more advanced and detailed. One example:- I was able to edit in full control of my Korg ih harmonizer unit for all my songs by utilizing the "Extra Tracks" - never had to touch a button - all harmony parts activated exactly on time and when needed. I was disappointed to lose such features on the PA but the PA makes up for it in 1000 other ways

Cheers

Pete

[Choros]

Avi, you are right!
The sequencers of the PA's have to be modified.
No one on earth will understand the argument:
"We gave the sequencer not first priority".
Why the hell "not". That should be a major issue on
such kind of keyboards.
Just the possibility to root to event by just pushing
a button and then punching in the correction.
Thats a regular modus in even the oldest hardware
sequencers of the 80's. Look at the M1, look at ...
Everytime I am contfronted with this theme I become
angry. Implementing this function costs a few cents.
The basic technology can be seen in KORG's basement.
Expanding this technology to style mode use is shurely
not a journey to the moon.

[Rob Sherratt]

Everytime I am contfronted with this theme I become
angry. Implementing this function costs a few cents. The basic technology can be seen in KORG's basement. Expanding this technology to style mode use is shurely not a journey to the moon.

Hi Choros and Avi,

Sorry if I am being stupid, but why do you say the necessary functionality is not there in style mode? Why are you angry about this? Please be specific about what you feel you can not do ...

For example, I've been using style mode -> event edit, and I have no problems. I can step through my style, listening as I go, or I can go to a specific measure, I can easily find the note that is either wrong pitch or wrong time, and I can move it in both pitch and in time.

It's documented on pages 204 to 206 in the Pa2x manual; in pages 121 and 122 in the Pa800 OS1.51 manual; in pages 112 and 113 of the Pa1x OS2.52 manual. We even filmed Chris Whitehead doing this as part of making his styles, and it is on the DVD's.

Thanks,
Rob

[Choros]

Rooting to and stopping at the event which has to be corrected -
and then punching in by playing on the keys, thats one of the
most used modes of even the oldest sequencers.
In other words:
If you then push the start button, the machine roots directly to the
event and allows you to play/punch in, (from the beginning/Start).
The start of the sequencer schould directly move to the event which
has to be corrected - that has nothing to do with step recording.
This adapted to style resp. song mode means all tracks play in realtime while you inserting the correction on one track at a time. "Punching in".

[BasariStudios]

"We gave the sequencer not first priority".
Why the hell "not". That should be a major issue on
such kind of keyboards.
.

And they are completely right...one thing is what we want and our budgets
but its another thing how thing work in reality.
In no way a Sequencer is a MAJOR ISSUE on an Arranger, maybe the last thing,
it might be the most important thing on a TRITON.

[Choros]

No of course they are not right they should just implement
the old M1/T1/T3- or 01W sequencer technology as part of the
given one.
That costs them a cent.

Tell me Nedim, why a good sequencer is not important for
PA... users. Ask them!

[keys]

I was able to edit in full control of my Korg ih harmonizer unit for all my songs by utilizing the "Extra Tracks" - never had to touch a button - all harmony parts activated exactly on time and when needed. I was disappointed to lose such features on the PA but the PA makes up for it in 1000 other ways

Cheers

Pete

Pete,
The PA1x and the 2 can both play your harmonies at the correct time with the correct notes from a harmony track in a midifile. Or am I misunderstanding what you mean and you are talking about live playing in which case you have to play the chord anyway?
Dennis

[Rob Sherratt]

Rooting to and stopping at the event which has to be corrected - and then punching in by playing on the keys, thats one of the
most used modes of even the oldest sequencers. In other words: If you then push the start button, the machine roots directly to the
event and allows you to play/punch in, (from the beginning/Start).
The start of the sequencer schould directly move to the event which
has to be corrected - that has nothing to do with step recording.
This adapted to style resp. song mode means all tracks play in realtime while you inserting the correction on one track at a time. "Punching in".

Hi Choros and Avi,

I think I understand. Am I correct to distill your enhancement suggestion for a future OS release as follows?

The "auto punch" and "pedal punch" facilities currently available only in Sequencer Recording mode should be made available also in Style Recording mode.

Best regards,
Rob

[Choros]

Rob,

yet I haven't tried the "auto punch" mode in the PA2 nor in the
PA800. Is this really functioning due to my explanations?
Former threads in this forum - also PA1 related once - showing
the missing of the described function. Actually Avi states the same.
(My experiences with PA80 and PA1 have also been negative in this regard).

Bregards

Choros

[AVI6520]

Hi to every one!

End thenk you - karmathanever , Rob , Nedim , Choros , keys , for your response,

I see that there are some things that we all agree,
And some things that did not be understood well,
So let's do an order-
I did not mean to complain! [Maybe my bad English cause that].

Nedim-
I agree with you that PA800 is not workstation….,or synthesizer,
[That is what we can understand from KORG [write about that in manual 1.51 p.25]]
BUT the PA800 is pretend to be professional arranger!

So please give us an explanation what the different between, workstation, synthesizer, and professional arranger, and what the different between STUDIO WORKSTATION
To WORKSTATION which we all can start to speech in the same language,

And please give us an explanation to, when is the end that arranger, stop to be arranger, and be coming professional arranger.
[ROLAND for example has arrangers and professional arrangers, it is two levels!]

[In the PA800 we still can see that it can synthesize sounds! ???
And can give a way to record and work on midi songs! ??? ]

We can all agree that we can not say "professional" and mean "unprofessional",
And that -in all things in the world- "Professional" does not mean "difficult\complicated"! Its mean more control and fast easy way to be concentrated in the things [making the "music" for are example].


Rob you have wrote-

"I don't understand what you are asking for, because I don't think there are any "bugs" or missing features in the functionality. Maybe you could be a bit more specific about what you feel does not work for you?"

1- See an example for "bug" –that cause that I DO NOT have A WAY TO PLAY LIVE WITH MIDI WITHOUT PROBLEMS [with the sounds] [or to record], like in situation of choosing different PERFORMANCE when I'm playing the same song that I have record.

I have written about it in this forum ["Post subject: Bug? There is a problem that the sound's in the STS become…"].

KORG dos not have an address to tell them, and to have response from them if they are going to do something with it, and wonderful Mr. tramannoni paolo, can not response to everything, it is not his job!
KORG should do some thing with communication with there customers for things like that! [And they will be "the best" with that to! It is not disadvantage to be "the best"! ]

2- WHAT IS NOT CLEAR?
It is not "Quick" record if you have made a mistake with chord's [missing or "notes" is not in place IN the MEASURE]. you need to record again! from start!

Or KB' note's, when you playing the 3 up in the record. -mistake's with the note's when playing the 3 up together! [It's mean to fix 3 different tracks because you don't have a "panch" option]
In "Multitrack Sequence" to fix it separately, track after track, 3 times! Is not "Quick"!
[Because that there is no way there –[Multitrack Sequence] to record more then one track at one time!]
[And you can not be sure that the timing will be equal [with the 3 up] like in time of playing the 3 up in the same time [in "Quick record"]
In "Event edit"- 3 times it is good way for programmers, not for fixing with playing the KB. [Try to compose like that….]

Its seems that-
Step record- or Event edit good for way of programming.
"Multitrack Sequence" record- is a way of mix between programming and playing.
"Quick record"- A way for playing the KB. [like composing…].

For every option it's sane to give its own way to correct mistakes, [basic way at least].
So what is not right to say-
"Very missing – the ability of "Auto punch" or "Pedal punch" in "Quick Record" [Backing Sequence]"?

Rob- you have wrote in the next time-
"I can easily find the note that is either wrong pitch or wrong time, and I can move it in both pitch and in time".
Again I am explaining-

When you record with "Quick record"- the three UP TRACKS are playing in the same time, [it can not be like that with the "Multitrack Sequence"!]
Then, if you have a one mistake with one "note" you need to fix it 3 times with 3 tracks! [L O N G W A Y!]
One little option of "punch" [in the "Quick record"] can do it fast and easy in one time! [It is very missing in work!]

In the PA800 I did not find an easy way to insert new chord, or to move it in a measure,
Maybe there is, I will be glad if you teach me.
One little option of "punch" [in the "Quick record"] can do it also, fast and easy in one time! [It is very missing in work!]

Choros,
I did not understand what make you to be angry, can you be specific,
Thank you for understanding me and for the response.

Sorry if my English is not so good.
Avi. a happy PA800 user.