Problem copying styles from set to set.

[Devon]

Hello everyone and thanks for your attention!

Since a long time I have a .SET file that I always use and when I find new sounds that I like I simply copy them to the set I mentioned.

A few days ago I found a set full of styles that I always wanted to have. When I load the set everything works perfectly and as programmed (styles, performances, pads, etc.) I want to copy the styles I like from the new set to the old one I always use.

The problem is when I copy a style to another set and load the set, the style doesn't sound like it should sound. I did copy all the sounds too along with the style. There's one thing and I'm not sure it matters in this case, but I copied the sounds to another location than the original set.

For example: the drum sound used to be on "USER 2 - location number 19" in the original set. But I copied it to another location since I already have another sound on that location. I've also adjusted the style tracks to the new location of the sounds (via "TRACK SELECTION" and selecting for each track the right sound).

Is this a "settings-issue" or did I not copy something that I should have copied? If there's anybody who knows what's going on here, I'd appreciate it if you'd like to inform me.

Best regards,
Devon

[BasariStudios]

I've written whole NOVELS about it in here, you have to relocate back
everything where it was. Everything has to be written down before copied.
Thats why us, guys like me sometimes charge more then the synth itself
when we combine sets, its a suicidal mission.

[Devon]

Okay, so I should keep everything where it originally was. Can you tell me where you've written about it, because I'd like to read a little more about it.

Thanks in advance,
Devon

[Rob Sherratt]

Hello everyone and thanks for your attention!

Since a long time I have a .SET file that I always use and when I find new sounds that I like I simply copy them to the set I mentioned.

A few days ago I found a set full of styles that I always wanted to have. When I load the set everything works perfectly and as programmed (styles, performances, pads, etc.) I want to copy the styles I like from the new set to the old one I always use.

The problem is when I copy a style to another set and load the set, the style doesn't sound like it should sound. I did copy all the sounds too along with the style. There's one thing and I'm not sure it matters in this case, but I copied the sounds to another location than the original set.

For example: the drum sound used to be on "USER 2 - location number 19" in the original set. But I copied it to another location since I already have another sound on that location. I've also adjusted the style tracks to the new location of the sounds (via "TRACK SELECTION" and selecting for each track the right sound).

Is this a "settings-issue" or did I not copy something that I should have copied? If there's anybody who knows what's going on here, I'd appreciate it if you'd like to inform me.

Best regards,
Devon

Hi Devon and Nedim,

A friend of mine is developing a PC based utility program which will solve this problem automatically for owners of Pa-series keyboards. I think he intends to make his program available to members of the forum free of charge. As Nedim says, it is a very laborious and time consuming process to do this "by hand" and is exactly the sort of problem that computers can solve.

The problem is that once you relocate User Sounds from someone else's .SET file, then it changes the MIDI PC number that is used to access that Sound from Styles and Songs. When you then load a User Style or a Song from the other person's .SET file, it will access the wrong User Sound. So the Style has to be edited to change the MIDI PC number to correspond to the new User location for the corresponding User Sound.

Best regards,
Rob

[Devon]

It's great that someone's working on creating software to reduce the effort, I'll be waiting for that moment. But I still don't know the job is done manually, so please if you know a topic/tutorial explaining this step by step (since I'm not that advanced with the pa1x pro) let me know about it. Even if it's a suicidal mission as Nedim said I'd like to learn more and more. Thanks.

Regards,
Devon

[Rob Sherratt]

It's great that someone's working on creating software to reduce the effort, I'll be waiting for that moment. But I still don't know the job is done manually, so please if you know a topic/tutorial explaining this step by step (since I'm not that advanced with the pa1x pro) let me know about it. Even if it's a suicidal mission as Nedim said I'd like to learn more and more. Thanks.

Regards,
Devon

Hi Devon,

It's not simple, but here we go ...

Let's assume you are importing a Style that uses user sounds, and you changed the location of the User Sound(s) when you Opened the SOUND folder and Loaded the sound, in order to merge the new Style/Sound with your existing set up.

• Make a note of the user location and the name of the sound that the style designer originally intended, plus make a note of the new location you have moved the sound to.
  
  Load the new Style into any spare user style location.
  
  Select Style Play operating mode. Select the new Style. Press the REC button. Ensure the "Record/Edit Current Style" radio button is checked, press OK. On the Record 1 tab, lets start by selecting Style element Var1.
  
  Select the Record 2 tab, and you will see the sound assigned to each track within the current style element. One or more of these sounds will be the User Sound that you have moved. It will display the "wrong user sound name" because it will be pointing to one of your other user sounds that is stored at the location the designer of the Style intended to store his sound into.
  
  Touch the "wrong" user sound a first time to select the corresponding track, and touch the "wrong" user sound a second time to open the Sound Select window. Now select the user sound again, but this time make sure you "find" the "correct" user location where you actually stored the sound when you loaded it.
  
  Repeat this process for every track with a user sound or user drumkit that you have moved. Then repeat this process for every style element. This means yoyu have to do the same thing for every variation (ie Variation 1 thru Variation 4) and every CV within each variation (ie CV1, thru CV6), plus Intro 1 thru Intro 3 plus CV1 and CV2 within those intros, Plus Fill 1 thru Fill 3, plus Ending 1 thru Ending 3.
  
  It is very time consuming. If you get into difficulty, read the appropriate "Style Edit" section of the Pa1x manual.
  
  Finally, select the "Write Style" command from the page menu and overwrite the User Style you have just edited.
  
  If the User Sound uses User Multisamples you will also have to load the correct Multisamples from within the style designer's .SET file as well.

That's all you have to do

Best regards,
Rob

[Rob Sherratt]

Devon,

You said you wanted to learn more about your Pa1x. There is quite a big section covering "style editing" on the "Korg Arranger Secrets" DVD's. We did not cover the process of moving user sound locations though. Do you have a set of the DVD's? If not please see

http://www.korgpa.com/pa_root/en/suppor ... crets.html

Best regards,
Rob

[Mickb]

Hi all


As Rob has mentioned, his friend is developing a PC based utility to do this automatically, Well that's ME!

Have a look at the following thread http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=31707 and add any suggestions or comments


Regards

Mick

[Devon]

Rob, that's a great and very clear explanation thank you! Yes indeed, looks like it's not simple at all. Or at least, the concept is but all the work attached to it is definitly very time consuming as you mentioned. I haven't tried it out yet on my Pa1x, but I definitly will and I'll let you know about it! I think I'll try it only on Var1 first, then see if that works. If it does the rest of the variations will follow. I don't have the 3 DVD's, but I'm considering purchasing them since they're not pricy at all.

Mickb I think it's great what you're doing and it will definitly speed things up, a whole new generation of editing! Can't wait to use it!

As they say in Greek "efxaristo para poly"!

Regards,
Devon

[Rob Sherratt]

As they say in Greek "efxaristo para poly"!

It's only the English on the island who say "thank you very much". Then we just get a strange look. Better to say "yasoo" (s) or "yassas" (pl and formal) !

Anyway, please post an update after you've done some editing of your Styles? You've probably seen Mick Barry's post about the software development he has now started. Maybe after trying to merge styles by hand for a few days, you can also give Mick some feedback on the requirements for the style merge software?

Mick Barry is one of the co-producers of the "Arranger Secrets" DVD's. We will be meting up in Corfu together with Chris Whitehead in June/July this year to film a fourth DVD. I hope that by that time, Mick's style merge software will be available and if so we can maybe demonstrate on the DVD how it can be used.

Best regards,
Rob

[mike44]

I know that when you import a style from set A into memory ( set B) that you have to remap all the tracks which is a headache.

But when I import the corresponding drumkit into memory userdk and load its PCG file it erases other PCG's in memory. I know that some seniors have figure it out since I see alot of combined sets. Thanks for any insight.

[Rob Sherratt]

I know that when you import a style from set A into memory ( set B) that you have to remap all the tracks which is a headache.

But when I import the corresponding drumkit into memory userdk and load its PCG file it erases other PCG's in memory. I know that some seniors have figure it out since I see alot of combined sets. Thanks for any insight.

Hi Mike,

I think in Sound Play mode, you need to "open" the .PCG file and select and then "load" the individual drumkit from it. It may contain more sounds than just the drumkit, and that's why it may be overwriting your other sounds.

Best regards,
Rob

[BasariStudios]

I guess the word is about a PA synth but deppends which one, not all of them have the same problem.
You have to know that DRUM KITS saved under any OS less then 1.5 wont LOAD properlu and the
SAMPLING RAM under 1.5 doesnt work properly. You have to first LOAD the whole set in OS 1.51 then
RESAVE each drum kit separately then RESAVE the whole set again and then start loadin.

[Devon]

Hey guys sry for the delay but I couldn't find the time. I think I figured it out. The styles use multisamples indeed Rob which makes it even more complicated.

Here's what I did and please correct me if I did something wrong:
- I copied all the styles I wanted to the destination SET without the multisamples (yet).
- I created a folder on the HD called 'KMP' to copy all the multisamples to.
- I loaded the SET from which I wanted to copy my styles/multisamples from.
- In sound mode I went to Record Mode > Menu > Multisamples.
- I copied the desired multisamples (of the styles I wanted to copy) to the 'KMP' folder.
- After this I loaded the SET I wanted my styles copied to.
- Then Sound Mode > Menu > Basic .. and tracked the multisamples I copied and saved them to user1,2.
- I chose the styles I copied and edited them in Style Record Mode.

Many of the tracks worked properly! But i got stuck with something else. The sounds of the tracks that worked properly have the same name as their multisamples so they were easy to trace and to copy. But the name of the sound of the Drum track has a different name from it's multisample so I didn't know which multisample I should copy for the Drum track from the multisample 'pool'.

Maybe it has a different name? I don't know how to find the right multisample for the Drum track.

[Rob Sherratt]

Hi Devon,

I admire you for your determination and stamina. What you are doing is well beyond the ability of most Pa series owners. Although I know how to do it, it's too much work for me, and so I will eagerly await the development of the PC-based utility that Mick is working on. There is a possibility that Korg will be providing assistance to us in the form of a PC based DLL (programmer's library) that will make the development of programs to manipulate and merge the contents of Pa series .SET files much easier. I think I will be patient until the end of this year and see what happens.