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disappointing buy....

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I purchased an sp404 today... I spent the whole night, read the manual cover to cover and when I was done wtih it I went..... "That's it!?!?"....

I would never ever recommend an sp404 over the esx.... I can not believe how much more possibilities are achievable with 150 extra bucks or so....

I mean the fx are great on the 404 and it has some potential but the sampling functions are pathetic. all you can do is record/import, reverse and change sample start and end....

there is no automation and you can't chain fx(although you can resample)...


naw fellow electribes.... stick to the esx :-D

I shall be returning this unit tomorrow and adding it to the do not ever buy again list
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Man, I jsut saw an SP-404 for 300 bucks on KIJIJI in my town.

I was going to buy it, but read some reviews and decided against it, good to know I made great decision.

=)

Thanks for taking the hit Ruso!
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lol no problem... I kinda wonna kick the box ;)
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One benefit of the SP-404 is it can play long samples, but thats about it compared to the ESX. It has only a one track sequencer. I think the 404 is designed to play the samples live. You also have to make sure that you keep the ESX the same tempo because the 404 has no realtime time stretch.

Alls Korg has to do is come out with a sampler that holds more than 25 mb and electribers wouldn't be temped to buy 404s.
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Post by aizo »

s**t the electribe is the only korg product worth damn. all their other gadgets are jsut gimmicks. you can do everything that they do with software and a midi controller
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aizo wrote:s**t the electribe is the only korg product worth damn. all their other gadgets are jsut gimmicks. you can do everything that they do with software and a midi controller
lol... Try some more expensive Korg products... i bet you will be impressed.
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Post by aizo »

the only thing from korg worth a damn is the legacy software bundle.
i used to have a triton. i liked it..but again it was just a glorified midi controller for me considering i have software that runs circles around it.
but that can be said pretty much any hardware. i use the electribe for a controller. other than the tournament i never use it for its onboard feature i let my mac control it and use as a performance piece. i really dont need it because i have a mc909 that runs circles around the tribe...yet i like the combi of both. the oasis is just a ridiculous workstation that any pc or mac sequencer could whoop with price and user friendliness. sure the expensive gear is nice but hardware is getting to be a obsolete. dont get me wrong i LOVE my jp8000, electribe, and mc909... but they are no match for my laptop. gimmicky stuff like the 404 is just useless.
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aizo wrote:hardware is getting to be a obsolete. dont get me wrong i LOVE my jp8000, electribe, and mc909... but they are no match for my laptop.
maybe for your workflow...
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anselmi wrote:
aizo wrote:hardware is getting to be a obsolete. dont get me wrong i LOVE my jp8000, electribe, and mc909... but they are no match for my laptop.
maybe for your workflow...
I've spent a lot of time in both worlds, in fact I've gone the same path into software but drasticly came back from it.

As of now I say hardware is the way to go for the workflow you can't beat such instant results...

in fact as pathetic as this will sound(I sold my esx to a friend) I'm gonna buy a new esx.
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Ruso wrote:in fact as pathetic as this will sound(I sold my esx to a friend) I'm gonna buy a new esx.
congrats ruso!...in my time here i realized you´re a great electriber so i´m happy you back home!

and see the possitive side: your new ESX will have the tube backplate on! :D
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you're thinking of my emx ;) but ya you should hear the new tune I'm working on taking a dvantage of the new tubes... in fact I'll record something and put it up
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you sold (me) the 'tribe, returned a 404, and now are getting another sx?
i think that i talked you into getting one in the first? i told you.
sorry bro, but i'm not selling you the sx back.

i'm getting a 404 (not to sequence with) just to drop samples live.
i know how bad those rolands are. i own a sp505 for a few days, but ended
up returning it and getting a second sx.
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khehe yup nova that's exactly what I did lol.... but ya I bought a new one it's all good don't worry about it. It actually gave me a chance to step forward and buy a very nice sound card and a compressor.... as well as encourage me to finally change the tubes in my electribes.

By the way do that, change all your tubes.... gimme a call I'll let you know which ones are good I got several sets.
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I like my SP-404, in fact it's a vital tool in my setup. I can understand the fact that you find it kind of useless, but for the kind of music I make and the way I make it's essential because I only use the EMX on song mode. What I usually do is create patterns with voice samples I take from random films and or documentaries, etc. I've always found that quite hypnotic and it helps me create a groove; I also have the habit to connect my TD-12 V-Drums (I've always been a drummer) directly to the SP-404's L & R inputs jacks and sample drum beats so I can slice'em up with the 404 thanks to that Auto-sample feature.

I think it's a really fun sampler to work with, limited compared to the ESX, but I just see them as different instruments, like comparing a 4 string bass to a 6 string guitar; and besides it works great when combined with an EMX-1 (using the electribe as the master). You can do some craaaaaazy stuff with those two hooked up together. Another thing, go ahead and send that Roland to the KP3, now we're talking just plain insanity.

I'm working on my web page so I can post some songs to give you an example.
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laikenf wrote:I like my SP-404, in fact it's a vital tool in my setup. I can understand the fact that you find it kind of useless, but for the kind of music I make and the way I make it's essential because I only use the EMX on song mode. What I usually do is create patterns with voice samples I take from random films and or documentaries, etc. I've always found that quite hypnotic and it helps me create a groove; I also have the habit to connect my TD-12 V-Drums (I've always been a drummer) directly to the SP-404's L & R inputs jacks and sample drum beats so I can slice'em up with the 404 thanks to that Auto-sample feature.

I think it's a really fun sampler to work with, limited compared to the ESX, but I just see them as different instruments, like comparing a 4 string bass to a 6 string guitar; and besides it works great when combined with an EMX-1 (using the electribe as the master). You can do some craaaaaazy stuff with those two hooked up together. Another thing, go ahead and send that Roland to the KP3, now we're talking just plain insanity.

I'm working on my web page so I can post some songs to give you an example.
I'm not really saying that its a bad machine.... it does what it does.... and it is what it is and there is nothing more to it....

Fairly small bank, basic sampling features, basic sequencing features, pretty good but not great fx (although far superior to the electribes but not nearly as versatile)....


This day and age though I would highly recommend going for a NI Maschine..... although you are required to use a lap top with it, and that's what makes the sound... the box itself is very well laid out and the combination of their software and the maschine make it the sampler of the next generation. And for only a little more then the sp 404... you can get a brand new maschine on ebay for 400 bucks these days.... you can have probably the most powerful sampler out there.
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