Will.i.iam Using The Oasys

tonecre8 · Post by **tonecre8** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:29 pm

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There are Hip Hop songs that have cool lyrics. No one by Alicia Keys or With You by Chris Brown.
But of course most songs are crappy.
So Sharp what is your genre of choice?

Pura Vida
DJ

You're a DJ and you classify those 2 songs as hiphop?

Post by **Sharp** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:41 pm

Hi tonecre8 .

I can't believe you took this personal. Seriously man, relax. Do you honestly give a toss what I think about Hip Hop ?. If so, I'll take that as a complement

The comment I made was very vague at best and directed at the Black Eyed Peas. If you don't believe me, then that's just too bad because I'm not going to be dragged into an argument over this. You have a better chance of fighting with a dead man than getting me going.

Over and out

Regards.
Sharp.

Post by **Sharp** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:47 pm

PS:.....For all you Hip Hopers....

Tutorial be ME, uploaded ages ago.

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... php?t=7302

See.... I love Hip Hop

Ultimate Dj · Post by **Ultimate Dj** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:07 pm

tonecre8 wrote:
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There are Hip Hop songs that have cool lyrics. No one by Alicia Keys or With You by Chris Brown.
But of course most songs are crappy.
So Sharp what is your genre of choice?

Pura Vida
DJ
You're a DJ and you classify those 2 songs as hiphop?

Um dude what else would you consider those songs to be? Country? Bluegrass? Oldies?

Sure some people may qualify them as R&B or Soul. But generally its considered Hip Hop! No need to cry my friend, some people just know more than others...

Pura Vida
DJ

ellll · Post by **ellll** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:50 am

Part of it is the particular culture involved...and that also is a difficult subject.

In my case..I am a fan of "almost" all music, if genuine and artistic...but I don't care much for Rap and Hip Hop....but after all, I am 68 years old...it's so late to teach the old dog new tricks, so I just hang in as best I can...

I DO THAT as I don't want to fail in being a part of what is going on in entertainment. It is a necessary part of me...

Lets hope all will remember good graces, and give some "headroom", needed in this occupation in any event

!!!

Regards To ALL...John (ellll)

Ultimate Dj · Post by **Ultimate Dj** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:09 am

tonecre8 wrote:I am curious now however, to see what Will may have played on the O that wasn't considered music.

Here is what Will played. (i know ppl said pictures aren't necessary but....

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I actually think this is a pretty good song. Celine has an incredible voice and the music is very moving.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT1msq9KiUs
Enjoy!

Pura Vida
DJ

Daz · Post by **Daz** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:46 am

What exactly are "proper musicians" I often wonder. Some of those folks that pop up in Keyboard magazine whose playing is agile and dextrous, but far from musical to my ear ? It sounds more like "look how many notes I can play in quick succession".

peter m. mahr · Post by **peter m. mahr** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:21 am

Daz wrote:What exactly are "proper musicians" I often wonder. Some of those folks that pop up in Keyboard magazine whose playing is agile and dextrous, but far from musical to my ear ? It sounds more like "look how many notes I can play in quick succession".

"Treffer, versenkt" .. or in other words - you brought it to the point.

peter

ellll · Post by **ellll** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:52 pm

Great Number,

Not my fav. But done well for all that...However...He didn't stand, and so perpetuates the idea that he is just a "pianist", as mentioned for some time on another thread...Only pianists sit to play...

In order to fill the needs of the "new" order of keyboard artists, many believe you should stand, and not emulate the sounds of a "piano"...He sure has that down well...as he doesn't sound like a piano... The standing part...Well I am open to opinion

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Regards, John

tonecre8 · Post by **tonecre8** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:39 pm

Sharp wrote:Hi tonecre8 .

I can't believe you took this personal. Seriously man, relax. Do you honestly give a toss what I think about Hip Hop ?. If so, I'll take that as a complement

The comment I made was very vague at best and directed at the Black Eyed Peas. If you don't believe me, then that's just too bad because I'm not going to be dragged into an argument over this. You have a better chance of fighting with a dead man than getting me going.

Over and out

Regards.
Sharp.

Please Sharp, I wasn't baiting you into an argument. I was voicing how your statement in an open forum was interpreted by me. Now if you're retracting the "Since when have we started to consider Hip Hop Artist as musicians ?" statement then that is fine. But as a hiphop artist (and a fan), yes I took offense. I "give a toss" when you belittle a culture. But like you, I'm done with it. You have far too many posts under your belt to not know better. It would have been derelict of me to say nothing though.

tonecre8 · Post by **tonecre8** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:55 pm

Ultimate Dj wrote:
tonecre8 wrote:
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Um dude what else would you consider those songs to be? Country? Bluegrass? Oldies? Sure some people may qualify them as R&B or Soul. But generally its considered Hip Hop! No need to cry my friend, some people just know more than others...

Pura Vida
DJ
I'll stay away from the personal insults but please stop, you are discrediting yourself even more now! "Some may consider them R&B? But generally its considered Hip Hop!" No (almost) everyone knows they are R&B, or soul, or neo soul and (in Alicia's case) even jazz. Check her numerous Grammy awards. Don't enter into a debate about that which you obviously know very little about. Even if you've been living under a rock, no one considers them rappers.

tonecre8 · Post by **tonecre8** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:06 pm

Sharp wrote:PS:.....For all you Hip Hopers....

Tutorial be ME, uploaded ages ago.

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... php?t=7302

See.... I love Hip Hop

Nice tutorial by the way (seriously). But you don't love hiphop!

Lorenzo · Post by **Lorenzo** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:24 am

Daz wrote:What exactly are "proper musicians" I often wonder. Some of those folks that pop up in Keyboard magazine whose playing is agile and dextrous, but far from musical to my ear ? It sounds more like "look how many notes I can play in quick succession".

if you can't play a jordan rudess solo (2 billions of notes in 1 second) you can't consider yourself a real musician.

tonecre8 wrote:(in Alicia's case) even jazz

in these case Megadeth are playing Techno...

ellll · Post by **ellll** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:54 pm

Actually, I believe we "mostly" know a "proper musician" or "artist" (of music.., think about it..), when we hear them, or are introduced by history and the experts. WE choose to deny many, in a personal attempt to protect our own beliefs, values, and opinions, ( You remember what they say about opinions..) AND our own performance..

One continuing problem remains in this age, as in the past...Who decides what different genres should be recognized...and what they are named..? The USA/Hollywood definitions. are no longer valid, as the WORLD is at the doorstep of all places, and it becomes a problem of words...This has been solved for a long time, in accepting the naming of the ORIGINATORS of the area or process or music...

Important to remember..even the best auth. have a problem, brought on by advertising, which is a BIG moneymaker, AND the biggest manufacturers... Many refuse to recognize the control by associations like NAMM, in naming any music/computer related process...and we see that recently in the winning hand played by Blueray, (Isn't that the name??)

Worth keeping in mind.

John

RobertPlatinum · Post by **RobertPlatinum** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:16 pm

Sharp wrote:
tonecre8 wrote:
Sharp wrote:Black Eyed Peas....err..... Since when have we started to consider Hip Hop Artist as musicians ?.

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Wow, that statement speaks volumes about you Sharp! But then I guess there are some that feel keyboards are not musical instruments either.
I think crap lyrics like this support my argument nicely.

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/blackeye ... humps.html

Sharp.

Sharp, I'm with you on this one. Most rappers are immitators I mean most of the ones I've seen and met. I own a studio and have recorded at least 500 different rappers including some celebrities. They fix theirselves up to sound like the current hot rappers, consequently they change who they immitate every three to four years. I am a rapper but I make all of my instrumental music (or the cheesy rap word beats) by hand no sampling. I won a national title in music composition with a jazz piano riff that I took from one of my "beats" that I made from scratch. And another thing, they have a habit of rapping about things they don't and never had. Things they don't and never have done. In terms of hip-hop dj's are artists, Artists are Artists, very few MC's are artists, and even fewer "beat" makers are MUSICIANS!