Why not xox

[sh]

I just want to ask the question
Why in such device as Radias, so good suitable for groovebox using, maybe even projected for xox (such design cant be done by chance), this recording mode is still not implemented?
How is it possible that so good salespoint was missed? You know which
record mode i mean: Roland name it TR-mode, Yamaha - Grid mode, and
whole world name it x0x. Its absolutely not about some kind of
copyrights, because Korg allready implemented it Electribes. So what is
it about? We all know examples when such mode was implemented long
after serial production and sales was realy increased (Yamaha RS7000)
and this device is still hardly claimed even after discontiniening.
With good implemented xox mode Radias will be realy in another line of
product and will have another development. Radias have DSP processor in
heart, so for adding xox need just programming and update OS.
So if it wasnt implemented untill now, its mean that Korg marketologs
think its no need for customers and cost more than will bring the profit.

OK than
if you think that xox must be in Radias than just vote
and we'll seem how need this feature for allredy owners (pity that we cant interrogate wishers)

[SynthAntonius]

I'm not sure what you mean by xox, but I think Radias already has it...

Anyway, it's really a nobrainer to program it's arpegiators/stepseq using the editor software.
Real pain in the ass using it's front panel, though... (I'm talking about stepseq)

And yes, Korg is a company that makes money, just as any other company. They can't just give everything away and have nothing left to satisfy the costumer. Sometimes they will even go back and ask the same amount of money. (will release something "new", while it's just repacking the old technology, just to give people something to buy)

e.g. Roland released sh101 in 2005, but it's stripped down sh32 (a lot!) IMHO!!! I mean WTF? Who's gonna by Sh101? It's so limited!!! I want an Sh31 though... (for the supersaws, it's very cheap, so why not??) and sh32 is a budget jp8080, lol...

And what about Roland repacking Fantom x engine like 1000 times?

Only now Roland actually listened to musicians, and made a very handy patch switch mode in their new Fantom G...

So I think they just won't listen.

[slammah2012]

I just want to ask the question
Why in such device as Radias, so good suitable for groovebox using, maybe even projected for xox (such design cant be done by chance), this recording mode is still not implemented?
How is it possible that so good salespoint was missed? You know which
record mode i mean: Roland name it TR-mode, Yamaha - Grid mode, and
whole world name it x0x. Its absolutely not about some kind of
copyrights, because Korg allready implemented it Electribes. So what is
it about? We all know examples when such mode was implemented long
after serial production and sales was realy increased (Yamaha RS7000)
and this device is still hardly claimed even after discontiniening.
With good implemented xox mode Radias will be realy in another line of
product and will have another development. Radias have DSP processor in
heart, so for adding xox need just programming and update OS.
So if it wasnt implemented untill now, its mean that Korg marketologs
think its no need for customers and cost more than will bring the profit.

OK than
if you think that xox must be in Radias than just vote
and we'll seem how need this feature for allredy owners (pity that we cant interrogate wishers)

Never heard of it in 26 years of professional jargon......
707/909/HR16/FL/????what the hell is XOX...

[Daz]

x0x as in TB606, TR808, or TR909 I know you've heard of those, I bet you might have one there even

[Daz]

I'm not sure what you mean by xox, but I think Radias already has it...

Me too. If you're on page 15 in the menu system, you can just switch between drum hits and program a pattern for each hit using the 16 buttons.

[slammah2012]

x0x as in TB606, TR808, or TR909 I know you've heard of those, I bet you might have one there even

Ive heard of the drum machines......Never heard of xOx.....how cute.......
did you just come upith that???

[Timo]

"x" is used in as popular wildcard to refer to a whole series of products, as opposed to a single product.

Like "JP80x0" refers to both the JP8000 (keyboard) and the JP8080 (rack module) of the same series.

[slammah2012]

"x" is used in as popular wildcard to refer to a whole series of products, as opposed to a single product.

Like "JP80x0" refers to both the JP8000 (keyboard) and the JP8080 (rack module) of the same series.

so what would the Jx8P mean....OhO

[Timo]

"x" is used in as popular wildcard to refer to a whole series of products, as opposed to a single product.

Like "JP80x0" refers to both the JP8000 (keyboard) and the JP8080 (rack module) of the same series.

so what would the Jx8P mean....OhO

From what I've seen, lower case "x" = wildcard, while upper case "X" = real "X".

Roland JX-8P.

[sh]

Its when you got 16 LEDs/buttons and one led going through each step, all 16 LEDs form 1 tact, so if you set current sound to kick, then you will see when it will play: step 1,5,9,13 (means LED 1,5,9 and 13 lit) and simply push one of the 16 button you set trigger this voice in this step and (how it for example implemented in Radical Spectralis) the encoder upper each step button tune the note of this step. And in realtime abolutely in sync you can form whole drumgroove and with setting a different gate time at step even melody sequence. This recording mode good for techno style and absolutely blilliant for compose during improvisation.
In setup with another man having such device you can playing, improvising and dont stop record mode and all will be in synс by midiclock.

x0x its named from x0xb0x http://www.ladyada.net/make/x0xb0x/
As i said Roland name it TR-mode, Yamaha name it Grid mode

[slammah2012]

Its when you got 16 LEDs/buttons and one led going through each step, all 16 LEDs form 1 tact, so if you set current sound to kick, then you will see when it will play: step 1,5,9,13 (means LED 1,5,9 and 13 lit) and simply push one of the 16 button you set trigger this voice in this step and (how it for example implemented in Radical Spectralis) the encoder upper each step button tune the note of this step. And in realtime abolutely in sync you can form whole drumgroove and with setting a different gate time at step even melody sequence. This recording mode good for techno style and absolutely blilliant for compose during improvisation.
In setup with another man having such device you can playing, improvising and dont stop record mode and all will be in synс by midiclock.

x0x its named from x0xb0x http://www.ladyada.net/make/x0xb0x/
As i said Roland name it TR-mode, Yamaha name it Grid mode

Oh...
I call That pattern mode...
and build Songs from multiple patterns , tempos and performances...
performance controlled individually, or by M.A.D.I....

I prefer the flexible type the HR16 used.... you could insert any pattern length/ at any Quantization sise /at any tempo...
not locked to a 16 block.....

[meatballfulton]

There are some aspects to the Roland sequencing style that are unique.

Perhaps the most important to many users is that you can enter and edit the parts while the sequencer is running. This is what sh was referring to about improvising, you really can jam live with an x0x style sequencer.

While it's not the most flexible process it is a very fast way to work.

I know you can edit step sequences on the Radias while they are running, because I've done it. It does require you to be in edit mode and when you go to save your edits by pressing Write the sequencer will stop.

[metrosonus]

e.g. Roland released sh101 in 2005, but it's stripped down sh32 (a lot!) IMHO!!! I mean WTF? Who's gonna by Sh101? It's so limited!!! I want an Sh31 though... (for the supersaws, it's very cheap, so why not??) and sh32 is a budget jp8080, lol...

.

You mean sh201? The sh201 is based off of the jp8000 engine for the vsynth and is not stripped down at all. The SH32 was a tinplated piece of crap that used rolands wonderful (read sarcasm) compressed techno samples.

[SynthAntonius]

You mean sh201? The sh201 is based off of the jp8000 engine for the vsynth and is not stripped down at all. The SH32 was a tinplated piece of crap that used rolands wonderful (read sarcasm) compressed techno samples

No, Sh201 is a stripped down V-synth, not redesigned jp8000. Just because it has jp Super saw, doesn't mean it's based on jp. > since it Sh has the V-synth sound engine. And doesn't V-synth use samples? I think it does - I don't hear anyone complaining about it!
And so does Radias btw - with it's wavetables.

Maybe they are cheap waveforms, but at least there are 67 of them + 4 timbres + effects. You don't get a real virtual analog (but what is real VA? VA is by definition fake, so...) but you get more waveforms with sub oscs in return - and it does expand the sound palette. No to mention 4 times more memory...

I'm not saying Sh32 is great or something, you get what you pay for (nowadays less than 200 bucks) so not much, only good for, like you said, cheap tekno bases and sequences.... But sh201 is even more limited.
Besides - Sh32 is a tinplate piece of crap? Maybe - then sh201 is a plastic peace of crap!
I'll probably play with it for couple of moths, and will see what it can do - I could always sell it for little less money - it's not like I'm buying it new (which would be dumb - I agree on that, but I won't complain at that price, lol < it will keep my busy, while I wait for Radias and Karma to return. I'm sure I could squeeze couple of good sounds out of it - with little patience)

Nevertheless, the 32 gets in general 1 out of 5 point more on reviews than Sh201.

Edit: after some thinking, I will skip it - but because of the other reasons: namely, I already have by far superior FX8, it would outperform Sh32 in every aspect. And there are still other things I would like to have, and I'm not rich, not at all. (a new mixer, KPIII, some new amps etc). For supersaws I will buy jp8080, eventually.

But I haven't changed my opinion about them. If I would be a beginner in VA, I would take it without thinking.

[sh]

I have searched the manual but cant find anything indicating the possibility of using the 16 keys as classic XOX - drum style editing or as on a electribe. Is this possible or not?

You can't record drums the way you do on a Roland (choosing a sound then pressing the buttons for the steps you want to play that sound).

You can use the keys to mute/unmute steps when editing, this affects all sounds playing on that step though.

Otherwise it seems a bit tricky from what i can tell by the manual. If i want a bassdrum & hihat & clap at the same "beat" i have to press a chord?!

If you want to record the whole kit in one pass, yes.

Alternatively you could play in the part for just one drum sound in the recording phase and add all the others in the editing phase.

Also is it possible to hear the drum pattern playing when you create a new sequence for it?

Not when recording, only when editing. If the sequence is still playing when you Write to save your edits, playback stops.

That is the question
Can we wait this features in OS updates?