Groove tubes Ecc83 ... they came at last ......

reddone · Post by **reddone** » Mon May 05, 2008 10:08 pm

Good point there , one thing i hav to point out is that YES the ax7 eh tubes are still great tubes , and i imagine that once i hav a bass guitar that the ax7 eh will give the sorta bass im after from the guitar .

putting a groovebox directly thru tubes is relativly new but overall you hav to read a descriptio of how a tube affects specific aspects of sound and combine that with what YOU want to get outta your machine and music .

Eh ax7 is good for some things , but when it comes to the mx for the vast majority they make things dense hard/plastic and pretty loud .. agian , fine for some things . Really tho , the mx benefits greatly from a specific choice of tubes .

but no , the old ones are'nt a complete bag of s**t , i just dont think they suit the mx . cant wait to rip a bass guitar thru them tho

Ruso · Post by **Ruso** » Tue May 06, 2008 12:28 am

12ax7 is a tube type... not a tube model.

supermel74 · Post by **supermel74** » Wed May 07, 2008 10:47 pm

Ok, so my new tubes came today. As I mentioned earlier I went with the JJ ECC83S Gold Pins with Matched Triodes. As far as an uneven balance between left and right I have had no problem whatsoever. Left and right outputs are perfectly balanced

The overall output volume is slightly less but nothing major and is not an issue. Regarding sound quality. The new tubes are definately smoother and less distorted at higher levels which is exactly what I wanted so I'm obviuosly pleased with that as well. I've only had them in for about 5 minutes so my testing isn't very thorough, but so far so good. If I make any other obsevances I'll be sure to post what I hear. I would definately recommend buying from Eurotubes if you plan on swapping tubes. They are very good about answering specific questions and they ship FAST.

Ruso · Post by **Ruso** » Thu May 08, 2008 6:09 am

I noticed tubes don't do nearly as much for the esx as they do for the emx....
supermel74, if you got an emx that you put the tubes on, crank up that synth part over drive knob

plosive · Post by **plosive** » Thu May 08, 2008 1:32 pm

Ruso wrote:I noticed tubes don't do nearly as much for the esx as they do for the emx....

sure they do.. a cleaner gain with a hot tube (re: cranked all the way up) that produces less drive is beneficial to either model.

Ruso · Post by **Ruso** » Thu May 08, 2008 2:50 pm

yes but nothing compared to emx

Ruso · Post by **Ruso** » Thu May 08, 2008 3:03 pm

I just realised that this tube discussion has been going on for like a year and a half (since before I even officially joined this forum)

Ganlog · Post by **Ganlog** » Fri May 09, 2008 5:52 pm

Hey reddone

WOW!!!

:D

The words are missing at the moment. This was the best advice I ever got for the electribe!!! I'm really damn excited of the improvment of the sound and it is really almost not any more possible to make the sound clipping.

I love thes tubes from the first moment on. I'm happy. I have the electribe now for 3 years and I could never imagine to make such an improvement with changing the tubes. I didn't even now that they're changeable.

I advice to everyone to put this damn rockets into your electribe babes!!!

cheers Ganlog

reddone · Post by **reddone** » Fri May 09, 2008 7:44 pm

Thanks mate . Its cool tho that after years of learning a machine it suddenly can hav so much more potential .

The dense sound of the older ones ALWAYS stopped a mark or two short of where i wanted to go and it was frustrating because i could hear that the mx could nearly get it the way i wanted .... now i feel like ive done the hard learing and now i can get my sounds right every time , and im sure your probably similar .

Actually my music took a pretty dramatic change over the last week or two . much as i love house/electro/garage/dnb etc .. i still have a love for good heavy metal guitar ( not sure about the vocals in most these days tho ) and chunky bass , so ive been combining Slayer type riffs with breakbeats and i do it in 32-beat scale . Its intense as f*ck , and i couldnt give a rats asshole if the neighbors dont dig it , lol

If an Mx2 ever comes out i think korg should keep with the tubes , but i hav a feeling they wont

mr.s · Post by **mr.s** » Mon May 12, 2008 11:25 pm

dont forget theres 2 tubes in there!

If you have a mixer or soundcard with 4 inputs then you can route parts to each one if you pan parts left/right... try a mix of different tubes

send the parts you dont want effected through 3/4

Borg · Post by **Borg** » Tue May 13, 2008 12:31 am

reddone wrote:i still have a love for good heavy metal guitar ( not sure about the vocals in most these days tho ) and chunky bass , so ive been combining Slayer type riffs with breakbeats and i do it in 32-beat scale . Its intense as f*ck , and i couldnt give a rats asshole if the neighbors dont dig it , lol

Ooh, that sounds really cool! I wanna hear!

Borg · Post by **Borg** » Tue May 13, 2008 5:09 pm

So I'm checking some tubes out at ELFA (european electronics webshop), and found two types of ECC83's. The first one is called "12AX7A tube National gold line", made in China, model "12AX7A/ECC83-BB". It's retailed for 509 SEK = $84.9 USD.

Now, the other one is made in Russia, simply called "ECC83/12AX7A tube", made by National (dunno if they mean National Gold Line here) - model "ECC83/12AX7A SOVTEK". This is retailed for just 162 SEK = $27 USD.

What's the difference? Why is the first one more expensive than the other? What's National Gold Line, is it a brand or a type of tube? Which one should I go for?

Sarrova-Q · Post by **Sarrova-Q** » Mon May 26, 2008 12:10 pm

Got my new tubes (Groove Tubes ECC-83s) today. Sound is MUCH better now, I'm really happy with it. My balance is slightly off (more to the left), but not much. I don't see wich screws I have to turn to correct it, I guess the little black ones in the middle? I just want to be sure.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Mon May 26, 2008 12:43 pm

Yes, the black ones in the middle of the tubes, they have a few small white letters around them too.

reddone · Post by **reddone** » Mon May 26, 2008 12:46 pm

Well this is pretty debatable , as although i restored my balance this way ( and set the tone to suit myslef ) it seems that balancing isnt what those screws are for .. and true enough i notice more of a change in tone rather than volume , but nevertheless i hav no balance issues now .

It doesnt hurt to tweak em , but make sure you're happy with the tone b4 you put the grille back on . Still i def advise gettin you box to sound off in a way that suits you accuratly.