Zero 8 - Requirements for next UPDATE

[core]

Usability of channel volume indicators is wery low. This need a real update!

I’ve measured volume levels of imput signal and recording them directly via soundcard. The result is disapointing. The channel volume level indicators are poor usable. I’m not able to now how strong the signal is when flashing orange leds! Width of volume levels is too large (for orange led especially). Than, when sometimes flashes red one, the signal is still not ower. How might I set the volume levels correctly? Why can’t we see what’s going thru inputs?

These indicators are good for quite pasages (only) to see what’s in, but if pushing inputs hot (how they might work), we lost accuracy/overview, do not know what’s in. We only see that there is signal and it’s not clipping yet. But it’s –3dB, -6dB, -9dB or what? Why is the range for orange led so extensive, from -10dB up to -1,3dB?

Why isn’t it so:
-0 dB red
-3 dB orange
-6 dB
-9 dB
-12 dB
-15 dB
-18 dB
-21 dB
-24 dB
-27 dB
-30 dB

Please Korg, update this bug.

[euklid.fox]

yeah, that's what I feelt coming to this mixer, "what the hell fader are graduated from 0 to 10 and not in Dbs!!!!, very strange, but someone explained that's the way numerical mixer works...mmmmm

Thats' strange I thought we could keep the same sytem and the master have a headroom of let's say 20db so it does'nt clip even if eight tracks are at 0db..

yamaha digital mixers and many others are graduatate classically in db,
so I still don't understand what's the point.....

http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/products/ ... index.htmll
click on photo viewer ,zoom on the DM100 faders and see from yourself..


I noticed as you there is a huge drop of gain when routing a 0db single track to the zero and returning it to computer, about -15db, and also that we're not able to clearly view how re signal far from this 0 db..

I agree with your classification, also when calibrated to zero=red, faders shoud show us -3d, -6db ect.. what are those 0-10? percents? then of what? we Djs should forget the law of db and think in percents? How to mix two tracks at -3d to reach absolute 0 when booth are playing with those vu-metre?you can't, thats' average or by ears, greta...clearly that's another pb for me....

[zalo]

its not in db because of adjustable fader curves

i assume the fader curve also effects the leds but i havent tested that out yet

[euklid.fox]

its not in db because of adjustable fader curves

i assume the fader curve also effects the leds but i havent tested that out yet

Ok nice, that make sense you're right, that's why, understood now, but then I think there should still have been a standard log curve preset with Db graduation, le'ts say to check our values,

othewise they should implement a display on the toucscreen that shows us the peak value in realtime of the choosen track, so we can be accurate.

[euklid.fox]

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also didn't made a pic for noise:
if noise comes from somewhere before the master bus,
why not add a post master gain adjustement level, so we could run the zero hot, (so better noize/sig ratio), then adjust the post gain according to the sound system (ie if it's a non adjustable running loud sound system and zero is the main console), but maybe the noise comes from the unit itself..

[ejlml]

Wow, great idea!
I think we can see these features on Zero888

[core]

its not in db because of adjustable fader curves

i assume the fader curve also effects the leds but i havent tested that out yet

It doesn't matter which fader curve you set. The VU meters must work without depending on actual curves. They work so, but wrong, as I wrote. In a different way (as you've assumed) you get absolute chaos when using more than one (global) fader curve.


TO: euklid.fox
Nice idea. See such screens on zero will be great for real accurate level adjustment and for better flexibility of MIDI use. I agree with idea to improve MIDI assignments for EQs, FX knobs, CUE buttons, Cuts, ... I think that this option will be best when is channel in AUDIO+MIDI mode.

[core]

Exaggerated leds. The leds are everywhere. All are shining (overly strong). I really don´t know why. Sometimes less is more.

I’ll be real happy if it could be possible to select which group of leds and when will shine. Why must shine leds on FX send knobs when they are off? It’s not logical for me, when are sends off than should be also leds off. It should work as status baclight for FX knobs, when is send active it shines, if not than don't. When are all leds shining it's easy to lost in this forest of same knobs.

It could be great to let us decide which collour we prefer for AUDIO and which for MIDI or use it without leds. Give us possibility individual colour each group of knobs will be great. Red, Blue or Purple? Or without led? And please, give us option to switch off all rotary knob leds, in some situations it's nonusable.


PS: I hate blue leds because it's not possible to fosus eyesight on blue baclighted knobs in the dark (therefore I prefer no baclight for MIDI). Just try it. Whatch (in the dark) the red ones, than the blue. I prefer green colour. Unfortunately you've select the blue colour for zero 8, but I know that you've used same parts for zero 8 and zero 4 mixers, mabe leds too. So, if is the led colour depending on voltage it will be superb to convert blue leds into green, give this option if it's possible.

[euklid.fox]

yeah I agree with you on all you say, don't eat lsd when playing in midi mode or you'll have headaches...

thought leds shoud reflect status of knobs, with a fade 0-127 would let us clearly see (s**t what effect is still on?)

also the idea of per group color is cool, that two features would be great!

unfortunately I guess that they did'nt implement muticolor leds that re much prycey, I think they're put only a blue and an orange one, so we could only expect a purple color with both... and I doubt they made (saddly) an per knob lighting independant and adjustable voltage circuit, so we can maybe only ask for:

_customizable purple color track and switching blue-orange should be accessible.
_please an OFF button!

[zalo]

with the leds they are hardwired as a group

so one knob in the group can not be singled out to be on or off separate from the rest

[core]

with the leds they are hardwired as a group ...

Ok, this makes sense. It could be hardwired as group, unfortunately.

[dummes kind]

i'm not sure if someone at korg reads this, but i'd like to have a SOLO SAFE function. we're using the z8 for live electronic music, and the keyboards just shouldn't go down just because i solo the kick.

but for whatever reason, does anyone else need to have this feature?

[ivanek]

i'd like an update of people who are working for korg support...
a switch button to bypass: "i don't know it depend of korg Japan..."
a switch button which could red flash for every lies of korg support
a rotary knob to pull up the reactivity of korg support.

other idea??

last phone with swiss korg reseller:
yes there is a software update! all is on the internet website!
oh which one?
i don't know!
okay i'll see (nothing more than 1.6...)

yes there is an hardware update!
oh what?!?
a new audio in!
i don't understand, do you know the real problems with the korg zero8??
no but, in two weeks, there will be an hardware update for an additionnal audio in, and it will cost you something more...
ok guys i will hang on i feel a bit sick...

[euklid.fox]

i'd like an update of people who are working for korg support...
a switch button to bypass: "i don't know it depend of korg Japan..."
a switch button which could red flash for every lies of korg support
a rotary knob to pull up the reactivity of korg support.

LOL you have my sympathies

I ll had a rezet button: it seeems info/support is bugged