I have to side with Kevin on this. Of course, I can also appreciate the OASYS community being a touch jealous of the latest XPansion for the M3. I'm not worried. In fact, I'm not even concerned. And that's not just because I also have the M3-73. It's more that I trust we may see these latest enhancements or variations thereof delivered for our dear OASYS at some point. After all, the new Brass and Woodwind PCM for the M3 evolved from the OASYS EXs library. Nothing like share and share alike, eh.
I think I can understand why Korg decided to focus on the M3 (and introduce the M50) this time around. The greater potential market target needs to be fed first. It's smart business sense for sure. Believe it or not, some Harmony Central KSS members who usually poo-poo Korg (for whatever dumb reason) are now pining for an M3. This definitely is a fantastic touch down play for Korg.
As I said, I'm not going to worry. I'm just going to try to be patient while I wait and see what's in store for King OASYS.
Cheers,
Eric
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Cheers,
Jim (aka EJ2) Karma-Lab Associate Combi Developer
CATALYST v 2 Blast of Inspiration for KRONOS & OASYS: http://www.karma-lab.com/sounds/catalyst2.html
CATALYST v 1 Combi Explosion for KRONOS, OASYS, M3, & K-M50: http://www.karma-lab.com/sounds/catalyst1.html
CHEMISTRY 3, a Groove Injection for Your Karma: http://www.karma-lab.com/sounds/chem3.html
SoundCloud MP3 Demoshttps://soundcloud.com/ej2-sc
Jim (aka EJ2) Karma-Lab Associate Combi Developer
CATALYST v 2 Blast of Inspiration for KRONOS & OASYS: http://www.karma-lab.com/sounds/catalyst2.html
CATALYST v 1 Combi Explosion for KRONOS, OASYS, M3, & K-M50: http://www.karma-lab.com/sounds/catalyst1.html
CHEMISTRY 3, a Groove Injection for Your Karma: http://www.karma-lab.com/sounds/chem3.html
SoundCloud MP3 Demoshttps://soundcloud.com/ej2-sc
BTW I think the OASYS does do effect presets, I stumbled across it while attempting to get delay out of a Shure Beta58A hooked into input 1. On the MFX/TFX page drop down the box indicated by the arrow with the blue "P" in the top right corner of the appropriate MFX or TFX tab.
Talking about hooking up mics, did anyone else feel the need to whisper "You've failed me again, Starscream!" into the default vocoder?
Talking about hooking up mics, did anyone else feel the need to whisper "You've failed me again, Starscream!" into the default vocoder?
Did I read this correctly: the M3 gets an update WITH piano-roll?!?!? Yep - just confirmed this on korg.com - WOW - and a Karma 2.2 with seamless GE-transitions - and a new track-overview-screen! 
Hm - I would definetly like to have some of this new stuff on the "flagship", too. As long as it doesn't come with any unwanted "sideeffects" that weaken present stable performance.
Hm - I would definetly like to have some of this new stuff on the "flagship", too. As long as it doesn't come with any unwanted "sideeffects" that weaken present stable performance.
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M3 users got the Exs-3 for free, we had to pay for it, what is that about?Charlie wrote:Did I read this correctly: the M3 gets an update WITH piano-roll?!?!? Yep - just confirmed this on korg.com - WOW - and a Karma 2.2 with seamless GE-transitions - and a new track-overview-screen!
Hm - I would definetly like to have some of this new stuff on the "flagship", too. As long as it doesn't come with any unwanted "sideeffects" that weaken present stable performance.
If we see an upgrade for the O, the I think it will not be for free.
The os will, but any espantions will not. M3 gets it all for nothing.
What else will they get? That we need to pay for.....
Well, the fact is that the M3 has now a Sequencer update for free; that some of the current OASYS users, me included, would even have paid to be able to have.Stralner wrote:M3 users got the Exs-3 for free, we had to pay for it, what is that about?Charlie wrote:Did I read this correctly: the M3 gets an update WITH piano-roll?!?!?:
The other way around, the M3 gets for free a EXs Brass library derived from the OASYS one, that most of the OASYS users, me included, have already paid to have.
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mdh, have you ever really worked with the Oasys sequencer ... and asked for an improvement like the piano-roll in this forum? It's not about giving up on a good concept like the Oasys. But it's somehow provoking for an Oasys user to ask for missing features a 100-times and cheaper non-open architecture synths get these earlier and/or for free AND you read at korg.com referring exactly to long-time piano-roll-wish "we listen to our customers". 
I think I understand Jerry as well when he says "We are a small company and have to balance our ressources as good as we can." And I know that they definetly listen to their customers and what is written here. They really care and try to help - just remember the whole cancel-bug story. I appreciate that! But many Oasys-users feel they should be the first ones to get new good stuff, esp. when it was asked for for such a long time ... and not being the last ones or being unsure if we ever get such a feature.
I think I understand Jerry as well when he says "We are a small company and have to balance our ressources as good as we can." And I know that they definetly listen to their customers and what is written here. They really care and try to help - just remember the whole cancel-bug story. I appreciate that! But many Oasys-users feel they should be the first ones to get new good stuff, esp. when it was asked for for such a long time ... and not being the last ones or being unsure if we ever get such a feature.
Just upgraded my M3, and the world's first touchscreen hardware sequencer is exactly what we've been waiting for. The other two of the "Big Three" would never do anything like this. They would make us wait 3 years and charge us another $2k.
Korg WILL sell a heck of a lot more M3s because of this and has stolen the thunder away from another company that claimed to have the best sequencer. This will generate more funding for R&D.
Implementing these kinds of changes in the O may take a bit longer since it has audio recording as well. Now that Korg has the user interface figured out, the biggest challenge IMHO, it should be easier for them to incorporate it into other products.
How do we express our interest in getting these features ported over to Oasys without making Korg feel bad about doing what they need to do in order to stay in business?
Korg WILL sell a heck of a lot more M3s because of this and has stolen the thunder away from another company that claimed to have the best sequencer. This will generate more funding for R&D.
Implementing these kinds of changes in the O may take a bit longer since it has audio recording as well. Now that Korg has the user interface figured out, the biggest challenge IMHO, it should be easier for them to incorporate it into other products.
How do we express our interest in getting these features ported over to Oasys without making Korg feel bad about doing what they need to do in order to stay in business?
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I agree Korg's move seems unfair, and is another indication of the possible discontinuation of the OASYS, but as Eric stated it makes total business sense from Korg's perspective. The sales of the M3 has far surpassed the OASYS - both in number of units and in profit - so it only makes sense for them to focus on the M3 to entice more buyers.
Who knows, hopefully Korg will come out with these same enhancements for the OASYS in the future, but from now on I think updates for the OASYS will always come second (if at all). I had hopes that the similar sound engines between the OASYS and the M3 would mean more EXs's for both, and the move with the Brass & Woodwinds expansion offers hope. If Korg continues to develop additional EXs's for the M3, hopefully they will also release them for the OASYS.
Mark
Who knows, hopefully Korg will come out with these same enhancements for the OASYS in the future, but from now on I think updates for the OASYS will always come second (if at all). I had hopes that the similar sound engines between the OASYS and the M3 would mean more EXs's for both, and the move with the Brass & Woodwinds expansion offers hope. If Korg continues to develop additional EXs's for the M3, hopefully they will also release them for the OASYS.
Mark
I am amazed by what I've seen being done to the M3 sequencer; I can't believe how quickly Korg did that. I think it's great news for Oasys owners too, because some of the functionality we've wished for is now half way here
The Oasys 2.0 update is probably coming after the M3 2.0 update because it will be bigger ! It will likely include the UI improvements from the M3 plus other goodies.
I just hope that my Oasys will keep working properly 'til then. The artistry and the design of the instrument is fantastic, but the hardware and reliability I think is the real long term concern for me, as opposed to whether the software keeps coming for it.
The Oasys 2.0 update is probably coming after the M3 2.0 update because it will be bigger ! It will likely include the UI improvements from the M3 plus other goodies.
I just hope that my Oasys will keep working properly 'til then. The artistry and the design of the instrument is fantastic, but the hardware and reliability I think is the real long term concern for me, as opposed to whether the software keeps coming for it.
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Hi folks,not been around for a while with working and all but I must comment on this topic.
Ok first off I absolutely agree that Korg must do what is right for business first.Their decision to upgrade the M3 had to come to compete with the Roland Fantom G series for a start. The new Expanded M3 certainly does look very very good.M3 owners are very lucky and I wish them all happy music making.
Now then....OASYS...ok like Kevin said and like all OASYS owners know it has so much already that we should be able to utilise what it has to our advantage and we shouldn't really be complaining too much should we.....or should we???
In some ways I dont feel let down by Korg,I'm not sure what the future holds for OASYS and I'm not basing my opinion on envy.I just feel that you cant blame OASYS owners who like myself purchased this wonderful instrument 3 years ago and have hoped for an upgrade like this (esp the sequencer).
Does the M3 possess more processing power than an OASYS? I would argue not.
So for arguments sake lets give Korg the benefit of the doubt from a business stand point to bring these changes to the more affordable instrument first but also I would be most disappointed if in the future the OASYS does not get similar features added to it. It would say to me that development for the OASYS is slowing and Korg's future lies elsewhere because as much as the OASYS is about sound I think to have it retain a seq which is truly stuck in the 90's does not bode well for Open architecture.
Yes we should be more than capable of using what is there but wouldn't it be so useful to use the M3's features on an OASYS to make making music so much easier,after all it is supposed to be Open Architecture Synthesis STUDIO is it not.
Im sure many would agree that its not unfair for OASYS owners who have been making waves about these features from the start not to feel a little left out. Korg on their own website say they have been listening and I quote.....
"Many users have learned this editing style from computer-based DAW (Digital Audio Workstation) software programs, and prefer the graphic convenience. Once again, Korg listens and delivers!"
For M3 owners it must be heaven,for OASYS owners it doesn't ring true.If you say you are not that bothered about what the M3 Xpanded has been upgraded to as an OASYS owner then I think you deserve a lot of praise but I myself feel that if the M3 as I sated does not have more processing power and its easier to implement these changes on an M3 than an OASYS due to its architecture how on earth can the OASYS be the embodiment of OPEN.
I'm not disgruntled,please dont take it as though I am but like Ive said....you must all feel that the OASYS deserves these features as a "Flagship" unit. For a Fantom G and M3 to have far superior sequencer editing facilities for less than half the price of an OASYS is a little lame.
I do hope we see this come to an OASYS,the instrument deserves it,the users deserve it and Korg should make the OASYS the best it can be IF its still in its interests to do so........but that is a big if and a big question.....?????????????
Food for thought hey my freinds and only time will tell.
Ok first off I absolutely agree that Korg must do what is right for business first.Their decision to upgrade the M3 had to come to compete with the Roland Fantom G series for a start. The new Expanded M3 certainly does look very very good.M3 owners are very lucky and I wish them all happy music making.
Now then....OASYS...ok like Kevin said and like all OASYS owners know it has so much already that we should be able to utilise what it has to our advantage and we shouldn't really be complaining too much should we.....or should we???
In some ways I dont feel let down by Korg,I'm not sure what the future holds for OASYS and I'm not basing my opinion on envy.I just feel that you cant blame OASYS owners who like myself purchased this wonderful instrument 3 years ago and have hoped for an upgrade like this (esp the sequencer).
Does the M3 possess more processing power than an OASYS? I would argue not.
So for arguments sake lets give Korg the benefit of the doubt from a business stand point to bring these changes to the more affordable instrument first but also I would be most disappointed if in the future the OASYS does not get similar features added to it. It would say to me that development for the OASYS is slowing and Korg's future lies elsewhere because as much as the OASYS is about sound I think to have it retain a seq which is truly stuck in the 90's does not bode well for Open architecture.
Yes we should be more than capable of using what is there but wouldn't it be so useful to use the M3's features on an OASYS to make making music so much easier,after all it is supposed to be Open Architecture Synthesis STUDIO is it not.
Im sure many would agree that its not unfair for OASYS owners who have been making waves about these features from the start not to feel a little left out. Korg on their own website say they have been listening and I quote.....
"Many users have learned this editing style from computer-based DAW (Digital Audio Workstation) software programs, and prefer the graphic convenience. Once again, Korg listens and delivers!"
For M3 owners it must be heaven,for OASYS owners it doesn't ring true.If you say you are not that bothered about what the M3 Xpanded has been upgraded to as an OASYS owner then I think you deserve a lot of praise but I myself feel that if the M3 as I sated does not have more processing power and its easier to implement these changes on an M3 than an OASYS due to its architecture how on earth can the OASYS be the embodiment of OPEN.
I'm not disgruntled,please dont take it as though I am but like Ive said....you must all feel that the OASYS deserves these features as a "Flagship" unit. For a Fantom G and M3 to have far superior sequencer editing facilities for less than half the price of an OASYS is a little lame.
I do hope we see this come to an OASYS,the instrument deserves it,the users deserve it and Korg should make the OASYS the best it can be IF its still in its interests to do so........but that is a big if and a big question.....?????????????
Food for thought hey my freinds and only time will tell.
Neil.
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The only reason the OASYS exists, is because Korg has been a workstation leader, for 2 decades. Selling a lot of the bread and butter boards has enabled them to put time into the OASYS experiment - a synth never meant to compete as a top seller. That market lies with the 2 - 3 thousand dollar workstations.
So, here we are - the US is in a recession, the Euro has weakened and sales, in general, are down. At the same time, Yamaha and Roland have finally caught up with formidable workstations of their own. The Motif XS had more waveforms and the Fantom G has an unbelievable sequencer.
The OASYS is not Korg's priority. Dominating the workstation market is. I believe the M3 was slagging a bit, as the Motif XS seems to be a top seller. What was Korg to do....?
OASYS owners paid for the EXs3 Brass expansion and it appeared that it was going to be offered for sale to M3 owners. I believe that they were going to pay, but.....sales are down and the finicky market is demanding more for the buck.
I'm sure someone at the top of Korg demanded that the company do what it can to put the M3 on top of its competition - add more waveforms to counter the Motif and revamp the sequencer (with touch screen parameters) to counter the Fantom G.
If the M3 was already dominating, Korg could be experimenting more with the OASYS, but first things first - and that includes keeping the company afloat.
Will us OASYS owners see the benefits of these amazing developments? I can't say for sure, but I think so...and Jerry isn't saying no.
So, here we are - the US is in a recession, the Euro has weakened and sales, in general, are down. At the same time, Yamaha and Roland have finally caught up with formidable workstations of their own. The Motif XS had more waveforms and the Fantom G has an unbelievable sequencer.
The OASYS is not Korg's priority. Dominating the workstation market is. I believe the M3 was slagging a bit, as the Motif XS seems to be a top seller. What was Korg to do....?
OASYS owners paid for the EXs3 Brass expansion and it appeared that it was going to be offered for sale to M3 owners. I believe that they were going to pay, but.....sales are down and the finicky market is demanding more for the buck.
I'm sure someone at the top of Korg demanded that the company do what it can to put the M3 on top of its competition - add more waveforms to counter the Motif and revamp the sequencer (with touch screen parameters) to counter the Fantom G.
If the M3 was already dominating, Korg could be experimenting more with the OASYS, but first things first - and that includes keeping the company afloat.
Will us OASYS owners see the benefits of these amazing developments? I can't say for sure, but I think so...and Jerry isn't saying no.
FWIW ... I don't think the EXs3 on the Oasys and the EXBPCM01/02 on the M3 are the exact same samples. The EXBPCM01/02 constitures 120MB of data, whereas the EXs3 is 700MB on the Oasys IIRC. Just going by the numbers I'd say the Oasys version is quite a lot richer, with longer loops etc. and more multisamples.