Raidas Multitimbral Workflow in studio environment

[theduncmac]

Hey everyone
Please give your input here no matter what your experience level - we all win!

Im a big radias fan, first R3 then moved up

I have come from a Virus background, where 16 singles (or timbres) make up the Multi

I find the patch system on the Radias annoying - its good for layering, but for individual sounds on different midi channels, not so good
I want to have all four timbres on different midi channels and to pick timbres from here and there, but each patch is a multi, so to find another timbre you must open a whole patch/multi, drag it across to the patch your working with (using the software editor) and adjust the midi channel

I have begun by separting my favorite timbres onto their own patch (1 timbre per patch) and having empty Project Patches where i load the timbres i want to use for the song into
But all the dranging/dropping and patch changing seems a bit heavy handed, dont you agree??

Who has a better/different method in the studio for using the radias as a multitimbral synth??

(please ask me to clarify anything if need be)

Does anyone have a smoother workflow for this

[xmlguy]

Let's say you keep the Radias on midi channel 1. In the DAW software, any tracks you want to use for the Radias you keep on midi channel 1. Then record each track individually by soloing the midi track and freezing it to an audio track. Each track has a program change during the lead in. All of the control is in the DAW software.

I do this with my R3 and I can get potentially better results than you with the Radias, since I have two timbres to work with per track, while your method limits you to one timbre per track. Using the technique I describe, you can use all 4 timbres per track, allowing better pads, thicker leads, or more poly. In a studio, it's often worthwhile to trade time to get better quality, in this case, by recording the synth tracks separately instead of simultaneously. I find that this workflow works for me, because I don't have to touch anything on the synth unless I want to make changes that actually impact the sound of a specific patch, like using the pitch/mod wheels, filter center, or effects, recording the midi CC separately from the notes. This also lets you use the master fx and EQ on a per track basis, instead of sharing across timbres.

But if you really need to record 4 tracks simultanously, I don't see another way to do it besides what you're already doing.

[slammah2012]

Hey everyone
Please give your input here no matter what your experience level - we all win!

Im a big radias fan, first R3 then moved up

I have come from a Virus background, where 16 singles (or timbres) make up the Multi

I find the patch system on the Radias annoying - its good for layering, but for individual sounds on different midi channels, not so good
I want to have all four timbres on different midi channels and to pick timbres from here and there, but each patch is a multi, so to find another timbre you must open a whole patch/multi, drag it across to the patch your working with (using the software editor) and adjust the midi channel

I have begun by separting my favorite timbres onto their own patch (1 timbre per patch) and having empty Project Patches where i load the timbres i want to use for the song into
But all the dranging/dropping and patch changing seems a bit heavy handed, dont you agree??

Who has a better/different method in the studio for using the radias as a multitimbral synth??

(please ask me to clarify anything if need be)

Does anyone have a smoother workflow for this

Yeah my method involves multiple controllers...
I keep my main Radias Keyboard on the global channel and assign a multi split keyboard with 2 or 3 channel splits to play individual timbres.

When I want to modify a timbre all I have to do is toggle the timbre on the face of the radias for knob controlling ...and all while maintaining and playing the global channel from another split on my split keyboard....

My secondary keyboard also sends timbre change messages on channels I set up so I can scroll patches on timbre 3 while another is playing.....

[meatballfulton]

I have begun by separting my favorite timbres onto their own patch (1 timbre per patch) and having empty Project Patches where i load the timbres i want to use for the song into
But all the dranging/dropping and patch changing seems a bit heavy handed, dont you agree??

That's exactly what I do and it works for me. I actually prefer it that way because I can tweak the timbre in the new program to fit a particular song without affecting the original timbre. I give the new program the same name as my song and I'm good to go.

A bit of wisdom I was given many years ago: rather than try to make a tool do what you think it should, find out what the tool wants you to do and use it that way.

[X-Trade]

I havn't really jumped into this area yet but i've been thinking about it for a long time.
Basically I want to do an electronic stage show involving two of us both using the radias timbres. I decided it would be easy (but just not economical) just to get two radii.

you can actually send timbre change messages somehow. so basically if you set a 'song' program with your four timbres acting on different channels, then you can set the rest up from your sequencer with various messages, then you can use that same 'song program' for every one of your songs. lets say radias is channel 1, set T1 to ch2, T2 to ch3, T3 to ch4, and T4 to ch5.

then you send the patch change to your song program on ch1, then send your timbre change and SYSEX/FX settings on ch 2,3,4,and 5. this is all theoretical but i think it should work.
you can then send notes to the four timbres seperately..
just allow a short set-up time at the start of your song. remember all of the settings in your program can actually be dumped in SYSEX, so you can record your patch to the start of your song. as long as you don't include the 'write' command, you dont necesarily even need to save your song's program to the radias, just keep it in the sequencer.

[slammah2012]

right.....
and this way, timbre patch changes will leave the master FX in play untill program change....
we should not experience silencing between timbre changes....

[theduncmac]

That's exactly what I do and it works for me.

Thanks MBF, its good to know someone out there is doing things the same way you figured out for yourself

What program do you compose with?
I use live 7

In your DAW, do you have 4 midi channels going to your radias' 4 timbres?
if so, ever had any playback probs with channel 2,3 or 4?