Is it possible to....

Dionysos2 · Post by **Dionysos2** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:07 pm

Is it possible to make timbre 1 and 2 work through the same options.

For Example if I set the filter in timbre 1, can I affect in the same time timbre 2 with that filter?

meatballfulton · Post by **meatballfulton** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:41 pm

See page 107 in the manual.

Create the first timbre, copy it to another, then change the settings that you do want to be different.

There are also utilities to copy/swap vocoder and FX settings, mod sequences, arps and step sequences.

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:31 pm

I think he wishes to have the filter cutoff knob in Timbre 1 have simultaneous control over the filter cutoff in Timbre 2.

Even when they are assigned to the same MIDI channel it doesn't work.

Currently I think the only ways to do it would be to use a filter as a master (buss) effect. Both timbres will have the same cutoff, though (as opposed to staggered).

... Or you can route two timbres into the Radias' Internal Audio buss and have that come out onto a new timbre, which you can route through the third timbre's filter section. Again both timbres will have the same cutoff, though (as opposed to staggered).

...Or to copy the filter cutoff CC data in your sequencer for timbre1 and apply it to timbre2's channel. This wouldn't be in realtime though.

Dionysos2 · Post by **Dionysos2** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:02 pm

Timo is right
I want to control timbre 1 and 2 simoultanesly with the filter, so there isn't any possibility?

meatballfulton · Post by **meatballfulton** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:03 pm

What about mapping the mod wheel to the filter parameter you want to control?

Dionysos2 · Post by **Dionysos2** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:30 pm

this would be an option if it can control both timbres,
but it would be much better if i just could control both timbres (with different oscillators) by doing changes in the parameters.

alex rogan · Post by **alex rogan** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:10 pm

Just got the Radias as a replacement for my MS2000. Firstly, I love my MS2000, and I'm glad to see that this one actually sounds better. One thing I was hoping that the Radias would have as a parameter to it's step sequencer is "Glide." Seems like they could just put it as an extra aspect of the "Gate" section along with "Tie" Any ideas for a workaround? Seems kind of dumb they didn't include this.

alex rogan · Post by **alex rogan** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:02 am

Whoops nevermind. Tie IS Glide as well on the Radias. I'm used to a sequencer where tie and glide are separate functions.

stevey_k · Post by **stevey_k** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:11 pm

think he wishes to have the filter cutoff knob in Timbre 1 have simultaneous control over the filter cutoff in Timbre 2.

Even when they are assigned to the same MIDI channel it doesn't work.

- I have somehow unwittingly managed to do this...

I'm using the external instrument device in ableton. I record my notes in first, then as ableton is playing them back...when I move a knob (eg filter cutoff) on timbre 1...for some reason, ableton is making the same thing happen on timbre 2! So in answer to the original question...yes this is possible with a sequencer that somehow magically sends out the same message to both timbres...

The only problem...is that on this occasion, I dont want it to happen!

I'm trying to automate the filter on the high bass on one timbre, and its screwing up my sub bass on timbre two... any suggestions how I can turn this damn thing off?

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:25 pm

stevey_k wrote:
think he wishes to have the filter cutoff knob in Timbre 1 have simultaneous control over the filter cutoff in Timbre 2.

Even when they are assigned to the same MIDI channel it doesn't work.
- I have somehow unwittingly managed to do this...

I'm using the external instrument device in ableton. I record my notes in first, then as ableton is playing them back...when I move a knob (eg filter cutoff) on timbre 1...for some reason, ableton is making the same thing happen on timbre 2! So in answer to the original question...yes this is possible with a sequencer that somehow magically sends out the same message to both timbres...

The only problem...is that on this occasion, I dont want it to happen!

I'm trying to automate the filter on the high bass on one timbre, and its screwing up my sub bass on timbre two... any suggestions how I can turn this damn thing off?

that is because the message is being transmitted as a filter cutoff cc which the radias is responding to.

it didn't work for the previous guy because the edit knobs directly affect the selected timbre (my way around this is to route the mod wheel or js-y to filter cutoff on both timbres using virtual patch).

if you dont want it to happen, copy your notes to two different tracks, and seperate chanels, then set your radias timbres to seperate chanels. this is the best way to work with a radias and sequencer anyway.

besically, because all timbres are on the same channel (by default), they all respond to the filter cc transmitted by your sequencer on that channel (typically your radias' global channel) at once, whereas turning the knob deliberately bypasses the midi end and goes straight to the selected timbre (otherwise you'd never be able to make different timbres easilly).

stevey_k · Post by **stevey_k** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:34 pm

Yeah...I just realised seperating onto 2 MIDI channels was the answer!

I've only had the R3 for a week or two now...and have only just started programming 2 timbres at a time...and yeah I see how you mean, 2 midi tracks is definately a more useful way to sequence both at once, cheers for your reply!

At least there is a way to control 2 filters with one knob anyway! But its a shame it can only work at home (with sequencer attached) rather than in a live setting.

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:22 pm

well, it would work if you had some external controller attached with some knobs, or a midi loopback with local turned off (although that could get messy).
I think one of those cheap midi mixers would be nice (there was once one from evolution i think about the same size as the padKontrol), but having a radias I think I have enough knobs. For the R3 it may be more useful

alex rogan · Post by **alex rogan** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:21 pm

X-Trade wrote:well, it would work if you had some external controller attached with some knobs, or a midi loopback with local turned off (although that could get messy).
I think one of those cheap midi mixers would be nice (there was once one from evolution i think about the same size as the padKontrol), but having a radias I think I have enough knobs. For the R3 it may be more useful

With the Radias, you can copy the same settings across the 4 timbres. In the patch section, set the filter cutoff 1 to mod wheel or pitchbend for each timbre. Then you can control all the filters with the same knob. You can get that interesting pseudo formant effect from dual multimode filter synths this way if you offset the cutoffs slightly on each channel. You can also automate the filters in unison with a mod sequence that is copied across all 4 timbres if you want to do it all internally. But, if you just have the rack, I don't know how you would do it in real time without the keyboard or a midi controller.