request for a new feature

[Serop Bedros]

Hi,

So I have been thinking about this new feature that I'd like to have in my pa2x pro that I just happen to love. I like flexibility and ease of use and I know the pa2x pro is a very flexible keyboard but in my thoughts I think it can become even easier and better in a certain matter.

I'm thinking about the style part. When I work live on stage I use say 10 styles in one night. But every style is played for more than half an hour or so and I just hate to change styles. To use one singel style for half an hour and having only four variations to vary with is just not enough, after a while the playing gets boring. I know that I can change between styles but that is just so annoying cuz a lot of things can go wrong say you forget to push the tempo lock button or you get changes in the volumes.
I got an idea that can give us more variation to our music and live feeling. Since we have the four variations why not just double them on tha same buttons. Say for every variation button you can save two patterns that can be switched between. Say you are using the variation B and want to change it a bit, you hit the variation B button twice and it starts using an another programmed pattern. In that way we can use several patterns in just one style and and if we want to go back to the first variation B we just hit the button once again and we go back.

I hope I'm beeing clear What I mean is to have all the 4 variations plus var 1b, 2b, 3b, 4b.

I think it would be great to have. What do you guys think ??

[karen]

Hi,

So I have been thinking about this new feature that I'd like to have in my pa2x pro that I just happen to love. I like flexibility and ease of use and I know the pa2x pro is a very flexible keyboard but in my thoughts I think it can become even easier and better in a certain matter.

I'm thinking about the style part. When I work live on stage I use say 10 styles in one night. But every style is played for more than half an hour or so and I just hate to change styles. To use one singel style for half an hour and having only four variations to vary with is just not enough, after a while the playing gets boring. I know that I can change between styles but that is just so annoying cuz a lot of things can go wrong say you forget to push the tempo lock button or you get changes in the volumes.
I got an idea that can give us more variation to our music and live feeling. Since we have the four variations why not just double them on tha same buttons. Say for every variation button you can save two patterns that can be switched between. Say you are using the variation B and want to change it a bit, you hit the variation B button twice and it starts using an another programmed pattern. In that way we can use several patterns in just one style and and if we want to go back to the first variation B we just hit the button once again and we go back.

I hope I'm beeing clear What I mean is to have all the 4 variations plus var 1b, 2b, 3b, 4b.

I think it would be great to have. What do you guys think ??

8 veriations per style? great idea. But is that going to reduce the number of styles available to us? any hardware issues?

[Lika]

Hi Serop Bedros .
We have that - Style Element Chord Table: Chord Table .. if you have patience , write all your every vars for 6 times and 2 times fills and ends ... if don't know that , see on User Manual , page 134...

[Sam CA]

Hi Serop Bedros .
We have that - Style Element Chord Table: Chord Table .. if you have patience , write all your every vars for 6 times and 2 times fills and ends ... if don't know that , see on User Manual , page 134...

Hi Like, i don't think this is the answer to this request. I know how to program "cv changes" but aren't those just some momentary variations within variation? he's more looking for something sectional. with chord variation you don't have that much control over "how the entire section should sound like", because you are not going to sit on one or 6 chords for half an hour. May be i didnt' get your point. Can you describe it little more?

[BasariStudios]

I have no words, this forums is getting funnier and a joke.

[Lee]

Serop Bedros,
That is something that a few folks thought the new Yamaha T3 was going to have...NOPE didn't happen...you know why?

It would be very difficult to do ...lots of change in the style design/engine/etc.....A BIG programming project for sure.

8 STS's would be nice though...too.

Especially since it is a pain to turn on/off different sounds (voice RH 1, 2, 3 from the touch screen. In PA3XPRO we need dedicated buttons to control the sounds (like Yamaha).

Lee

[karen]

I have no words, this forums is getting funnier and a joke.

good thing you like jokes, otherwise we wouldn't have been blessed with your presence. ha ha ha

[BasariStudios]

In PA3XPRO we need dedicated buttons to control the sounds (like Yamaha).

Lee

There is, right on the Display, the difference is YAMAHA dont have a TouchScreen
and Korg does, instead of being on the Panel itself its on the Display which is part
of the panel and there is no difference at all.

Lee, i think the cold is getting to your system...scared of winters?

[AVI6520]

I do not have any problem to have new features that others need even if I'm do not, and your idea will be good for me for the "fill in", but not for the "VAR".

It is very hard to me to understand your needs, and I will explain my self first-
I'm agree that it's boring to work like you said, and more then that- I do not understand how can you use 10 styles only!
For me I'm using\making deferent style for every song! [Midi or live], and for me to play the same style for two songs- I just can not do it!
So believe me that I can understand you!

But here come the question- you have said-"I know that I can change between styles but that is just so annoying cuz a lot of things can go wrong say you forget to push the tempo lock button or you get changes in the volumes.".

To program the style to have 8 "VAR" it's longer then to save all 20 styles you need, with the same tempo and volume, [4"'VAR" X2 means that you need 20 styles that you all ready have!],
And if you do not have more then 10 styles it's mean that the problem is not the VAR, but that you do not know how to make more styles for your songs' that will sound deferent,
If it is like that- what will help 8 VAR? You will not know how to make them…

And to the other way- if you know how to make them and going to do it, way not just to make another style, and to use the song book with a list exactly like you want for each gig,

Because of that- it is hard for me to understand your needs.

If you want not to be boring, use deferent style for each song, and it is better then 8 VAR in the same style, and if it is hard to you to make a list in the song book or more styles, it will be the same for you to be hard to make more 4 VAR to be 8,
And if you want to have prepared styles with 8 VAR, you can have now the same solution for styles with 4 VAR, download free styles and have more styles that will be good for your songs and use more then 10.

So- for VAR it is hard to me to understand you,
But for more then 2 fill in I can understand you, I can not drumming one song with only 2 same fill ins, [with real drums not with KB…] I'm always drumming much a lot deferent fill ins when I'm drumming, so when I'm using the PA for playing it is missing to me the ability to color the song, and I'm speaking here about the same style that I'm using just one time for each song.

Maybe I did not understand you enough, sorry.

[Lee]

Nedim,
Yep it's starting to get colder here...but has been a nice fall so far!

It's sometimes a little hard to hit those little touch screen areas....instead of a nice lit button!

Especially if your playing fast stuff.

Lee

[Asena]

OK guys, listen here, there is many Places we dont use, Like Style part, USER styles, Pick a style, * 8 beat( and Change it a litle beat, Cut down some parts, And use your NEW ideas, on it!
And do the same thing whit Same Style and make another change, And save it on USER style again , *8 beat 2* var 2 or like that, And you dont need the extra buttons, Comoon guys come whit better and more useful things, Not only a button whit 8 colors and bigger LCD or A satelit anten.

[Lee]

The touchscreen is fine...my point is...lets say you are playing along and you want to mute (right hand) 1 sound, AND un-mute another QUICKLY...then in the next part of the song you want to mute that one again and un-mute the third at the same time..it's very hard to do that on the touch screen. Or even worst you want to change all three's mute status at the same time...WOW...tough on the touch screen.

Yes you can setup a STS to do all that...but you only have 4. Each STS can have options on 3 RH sounds, so you can mute...un-mute the sounds within 1 STS as you go, giving lots of sound flexiblity.

RH Parts 1, 2, 3, buttons are much easier to deal with when you want to change sounds as you go...QUICKLY. I wouls like to have Korg ADD those 3 buttons (and maybe one for LH). Not to take away anything from the touch screen at all.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it...(That's a pun from a song):-)
Lee

[Sam CA]

I do not have any problem to have new features that others need even if I'm do not, and your idea will be good for me for the "fill in", but not for the "VAR".

It is very hard to me to understand your needs, and I will explain my self first-
I'm agree that it's boring to work like you said, and more then that- I do not understand how can you use 10 styles only!
For me I'm using\making deferent style for every song! [Midi or live], and for me to play the same style for two songs- I just can not do it!
So believe me that I can understand you!

But here come the question- you have said-"I know that I can change between styles but that is just so annoying cuz a lot of things can go wrong say you forget to push the tempo lock button or you get changes in the volumes.".

To program the style to have 8 "VAR" it's longer then to save all 20 styles you need, with the same tempo and volume, [4"'VAR" X2 means that you need 20 styles that you all ready have!],
And if you do not have more then 10 styles it's mean that the problem is not the VAR, but that you do not know how to make more styles for your songs' that will sound deferent,
If it is like that- what will help 8 VAR? You will not know how to make them…

And to the other way- if you know how to make them and going to do it, way not just to make another style, and to use the song book with a list exactly like you want for each gig,

Because of that- it is hard for me to understand your needs.

If you want not to be boring, use deferent style for each song, and it is better then 8 VAR in the same style, and if it is hard to you to make a list in the song book or more styles, it will be the same for you to be hard to make more 4 VAR to be 8,
And if you want to have prepared styles with 8 VAR, you can have now the same solution for styles with 4 VAR, download free styles and have more styles that will be good for your songs and use more then 10.

So- for VAR it is hard to me to understand you,
But for more then 2 fill in I can understand you, I can not drumming one song with only 2 same fill ins, [with real drums not with KB…] I'm always drumming much a lot deferent fill ins when I'm drumming, so when I'm using the PA for playing it is missing to me the ability to color the song, and I'm speaking here about the same style that I'm using just one time for each song.

Maybe I did not understand you enough, sorry.

Avi, sorry i didn't read the entire post you wrote, but regarding a few things that cauthgt my eye here and there:

He doesn't want to change style, because he's concerned about a few things that might happen when he does that. Any ways, the whole thing is that if you have 8 vars per style, you can do whatever you want with them. for example, you can program them as a fill 1, 2, 3, ...7..you don't have to make them a "var " necessarily! Also it shouldn't be so hard for you to understand why more vars could come handy! some songs can be broken into more than 4 sections, and i would never complain if one day korg give me the ability to program more than 4 vars. I'll repeat it again, you don't have to program a var with a 8 or 16 bar loop,...you can just program it as a fill. That's what rikki has been trying to say. This machine is not a rigid system. You can program these vars and fills anyway you like in any order that pleases you.

[iaoranaemaeva]

What do you guys think ??

I voted No because I would be unable to remember the differences between 8 "blind" variations - I mean without any mnemonic display like STS ones (remember STS in Pa80 ?)

With Variation Names and Fills on a bigger screen and at least twice the present resolution, OK

[Sam CA]

What do you guys think ??

I voted No because I would be unable to remember the differences between 8 "blind" variations - I mean without any mnemonic display like STS ones (remember STS in Pa80 ?)

With Variation Names and Fills on a bigger screen and at least twice the present resolution, OK

This is what i do. I try to be consistent with the way i program the styles. For example, I always program my Fill 1 as a 2 measure fill, but Fill 2 and 3 are always one measure. Or I always put the brass in acc5 ..etc

Of course some times i have to make adjustments, but it works fine most of the time. Same thing with songs that i sequence. The melody is always in track 16, the bass is always track 9..and so on.

If I had 4 more vars, i would do excatly the same thing...i would've kept a fairly consistent pattern. In fact the more options you have, the easier is to keep the consistency.

Another thing is that you could think of Var 1b as a variation of Var 1a, not something totally different..then you could make your stepwise motion from var 1 to var 4, or var 1' to var 4' without struggling to remember anything unusual. otherwise who could remember what is varition 7 or what is variation 2!

You would see the information of those extra vars on the same screen, just like you see the current ones any ways. Your example for STS was little bit irrelavant to this, because with sounds, you can see the info before you audition them, but for vars?? you wouldn't know what they are, until you actually press the button , right?

Some songs or medleys have multiple time signatures..so more vars would help to cover a larger number of those too

So, I vote yes!