Some out of range notes in guitar tracks?

[TANIA]

For example, if you look up the guitar track in this style:

Pop.....> Pop Funk 1...
You'll see that there are some note in the higher octave that make no sound at all. I didn't realize that, until i opened it in cubase. When i click on them, they make no sound at all. What are they, then? There must be a reason why they're there!

[Rob Sherratt]

Hi Tania,

When you create a style with a track set to "GTR" mode, then instead of the track storing individual notes, the track stores control information which tells the GTR mode software to do things like "strum up" "strum down" and so on.

So if you copy the style using STYLE->MIDI export you will see the control values in raw form, and you can work out which one is doing what function by reading all about GTR mode in the user guide.

If you use Song Record -> Quick record to capture the style to a sequenced MIDI file, then any GTR mode tracks are replaced with actual MIDI notes that are playes, like arpeggiated strummed notes in quick succession. This is fine for use with an external sequence or to send to friends, but you should not use these "expanded" GTR mode tracks to make styles in GTR mode.

Hoope this helps,

Best regards,
Rob

[BasariStudios]

Actually Rob you can, if you do a GTR MODE Track then go to Sequencer
and record it, bring it back in style record as a regular MIDI track i will
sound exactly as the GTR MODE track, all the info is there and the track
plays correctly but now its MIDI instead of GTR controlled.

[TANIA]

ok, i kind of guessed that had to do with strumming or guitar noise. But the main reason why i brought this up was that what happens to those notes when you want to copy and paste the track to another style when it needs to be transposed to a different key? If the original guitar track was recorded in Cm7, and the new style is recorded in Em,then that guitar track needs to be transposed to match the rest of the style tracks. If i transpose that track, what's going to happen to those "high notes". Are they going to be transposed as well? That's going to displace them and screw up everything.

[Rob Sherratt]

Hi Tania,

I stick to C for recording all styles, like recommended, so haven't really encountered this. But yes, you must not transpose the GTR mode track notes. Instead you tell the Pa which key the GTR mode track is in via a config parameter I think.

BTW, Why do you want to record your style in Em? If its because of an intro that you can only play in Em, then record that in Em and transpose it to Cm afterwards, so you can normalise all the rest of your style tracks to C. Then at playback time if you want it in Em, just play Em chord (quietly so track notes don't sound) and then press Intro1 and START.

I would be concerned that if a style was recorded in Em (ie transposed up 4 semitones), then when I use the style and press an Em chord it might play Abm instead of what I expect. And since I married a lady whose father died when a coal seam collapsed in the UK, I have to avoid jokes about Abm

Regards,
Rob

[pcguy]

Hi Tania,

I stick to C for recording all styles, like recommended, so haven't really encountered this. But yes, you must not transpose the GTR mode track notes. Instead you tell the Pa which key the GTR mode track is in via a config parameter I think.

BTW, Why do you want to record your style in Em? If its because of an intro that you can only play in Em, then record that in Em and transpose it to Cm afterwards, so you can normalise all the rest of your style tracks to C. Then at playback time if you want it in Em, just play Em chord (quietly so track notes don't sound) and then press Intro1 and START.

I would be concerned that if a style was recorded in Em (ie transposed up 4 semitones), then when I use the style and press an Em chord it might play Abm instead of what I expect. And since I married a lady whose father died when a coal seam collapsed in the UK, I have to avoid jokes about Abm

Regards,
Rob

Just out of curiousity. What if you just transpose the actual notes and not the guitar mode notes. In cubase you can easily highlight the notes that you would like to transpose. So those special notes will not be effected or displaced.

[Rob Sherratt]

Hi pcguy,

A style is a multi-track MIDI recording. You can set individual tracks to GTR mode in which case the whole of that track becomes control values and must not be transposed or mucked around with on a PC sequencer in any way. It's not just one or two notes on the GTR mode track that are "special", its all of them!

Track == MIDI channel 1 to 16

Of course you can do what you want with notes on non-GTR mode tracks. But I expect that if you do not base your accompaniment in the key of C, then you may not get playback in the key you expect. Like I say I haven't tried it because I can't see the point when it's recommended by korg that all styles are based around C chords.

Best regards,
Rob