hi lads,
i recently purchased Mini KP for my dj set up and run into a problem.
I got Mini KP connected for my Pioneer DJM 700 mixer via Send and Return with Jack/RCA cable.Effects switch is on send/return mode channel selector to coresponding channel.
When i switch effect on/off button volume on master goes down for 10 dB!?!
I thought that i did not wired it properly , but everything is ok.Its the same in dir and snd mode
Can someone help me with this?
Thanx
mini kp volume problem
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toomanyKORGs
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Re: mini kp volume problem
what?lobanja wrote: When i switch effect on/off button!?!
What happens to the effect level when you wire the outs directly to the ins on the DJ mixer? In other words, when you use the effects looped back to itself. Trying that will help determine whether the DJ mixer is at fault, instead of the miniKP.
What are you pressing on the XY pad when you are testing?
When the miniKP is on, the default effect is being applied, which is the Low Pass Filter, as I recall. Filters cut the level. You need to press on the right side of the pad, in the middle (vertically), in order to set the cutoff frequency so that is isn't cutting off whatever is playing.
What are you pressing on the XY pad when you are testing?
When the miniKP is on, the default effect is being applied, which is the Low Pass Filter, as I recall. Filters cut the level. You need to press on the right side of the pad, in the middle (vertically), in order to set the cutoff frequency so that is isn't cutting off whatever is playing.
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toomanyKORGs
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WELL there is very well syncronous error to your dilemma, though the aspect of everything really might seem evident of a larger, more intracte design flaw not intended by the seller, obviously a line-assembly defect compromised from within the workforce. i suspect sabotage. you should get your guns and blast that thing open as it contains the only manuscript you need: the circuit board of truth. youll know exactly what im talking about if you just follow through with that instruction. otherwise the penalty for not participating in a forgoing natural selective oder administration, you would be subjected to a light-net query of intelligent deficit not deemed for someone with a feeble soul. The choice is yours. You have 24 hours.
Thanx xmlguy,
Same thing happens if it s wired directly.Sound goes down for about 10dB as soon as effect on button is engaged whithout even touching the pad.When pad is pressed , volume slightly increases but not to a level before switching "effect on" button.Thats whats going on id "dir " mode. If tis in "snd" mode volume goes down all the way.If i press pad at that stage again volume increases but not to a level of played song without using effects at all.As soon as i let go volume goes down, if i switch off "effect on/off" button, volume goes back to a level set by gain knob.
I 've experimented with all effects on KP,starting from all positions,no progress. I m not saying that KP is faulty, but it seems to me like its working by default with -2 to -10 dB.
Any ideas?
thanx
Same thing happens if it s wired directly.Sound goes down for about 10dB as soon as effect on button is engaged whithout even touching the pad.When pad is pressed , volume slightly increases but not to a level before switching "effect on" button.Thats whats going on id "dir " mode. If tis in "snd" mode volume goes down all the way.If i press pad at that stage again volume increases but not to a level of played song without using effects at all.As soon as i let go volume goes down, if i switch off "effect on/off" button, volume goes back to a level set by gain knob.
I 've experimented with all effects on KP,starting from all positions,no progress. I m not saying that KP is faulty, but it seems to me like its working by default with -2 to -10 dB.
Any ideas?
thanx
No, you apparently did not understand my first question.
The problem could be with the effects loop on your mixer. You need to test that alone, without the miniKP attached at all.
Completely disconnect the miniKP from the mixer. Put it aside.
Use a single cable to hook the effects output L+R ON THE MIXER directly back to the effects return/input L+R ON THE MIXER. This is called a loopback. Now try the mixer to see if you get ANY DROP in the level, because the problem is with effects loop on the MIXER if it does. If the level remains the same whether the effects button is pressed or not, then you can eliminate it as the source of the problem, but not before you do this test. It would be a huge waste of time trying to find a problem with your miniKP if it happens that the problem is with the mixer instead.
Another thing you can do is to test the miniKP with another audio source and a different audio output device, such as a headphone amplifier. If the same level problem is occuring when using two completely different input and output devices, then you also can narrow down the problem to be in the miniKP.
The problem could be with the effects loop on your mixer. You need to test that alone, without the miniKP attached at all.
Completely disconnect the miniKP from the mixer. Put it aside.
Use a single cable to hook the effects output L+R ON THE MIXER directly back to the effects return/input L+R ON THE MIXER. This is called a loopback. Now try the mixer to see if you get ANY DROP in the level, because the problem is with effects loop on the MIXER if it does. If the level remains the same whether the effects button is pressed or not, then you can eliminate it as the source of the problem, but not before you do this test. It would be a huge waste of time trying to find a problem with your miniKP if it happens that the problem is with the mixer instead.
Another thing you can do is to test the miniKP with another audio source and a different audio output device, such as a headphone amplifier. If the same level problem is occuring when using two completely different input and output devices, then you also can narrow down the problem to be in the miniKP.
Hi mate!
Thanx for additional explanation.
I got send and return connected , sound is good , no drops in levels so i guess that kind a eliminates mixer as problem.
I ve done some experimenting. When i wire master mixer output to KP in and KP out to my PA i do not have any loss in sound volume, but in that case i can not use KP to specific channel , only for master output. In all other cases( send - return, booth output,record output i have drops in sound volume.Guess i gonna have to live with this.
Thanx for help and if you have any other idea please let me know.
Cheers!
Thanx for additional explanation.
I got send and return connected , sound is good , no drops in levels so i guess that kind a eliminates mixer as problem.
I ve done some experimenting. When i wire master mixer output to KP in and KP out to my PA i do not have any loss in sound volume, but in that case i can not use KP to specific channel , only for master output. In all other cases( send - return, booth output,record output i have drops in sound volume.Guess i gonna have to live with this.
Thanx for help and if you have any other idea please let me know.
Cheers!
I would recommend that you get the KP3 instead of the miniKP anyways. I think the KP3 gives a lot more control and features. It has knobs for the input level, output level, and dry/wet level for the effects. The rhythm beats also have a very high quality bass punch. It also looks so much cooler than the miniKP. I have them both. I rarely use the miniKP. I frequently use the KP3.
I noticed this with my miniKP too...
here's the configuration I use:
mini-KP is on alternate bus (3-4), so muting or on my other mixer selecting the bus, will route the sound to the KP instead. I hardly mute tracks as its easier just to whack the faders down in a simple setup.
the return of the KP goes back into the desk (NEVER mute this channel... well its coooool FB fx on delay settings). i've dropped the output slightly for the alternate bus to avoid clipping, and then added a bit of a boost on the input channel.
a lot of mixers also allow you to set the levels for the FX send and return so you may have something there too...
it took me a while to find settings where the KP doesn't clip, and sounds at the same level as the orginal signal.
here's the configuration I use:
mini-KP is on alternate bus (3-4), so muting or on my other mixer selecting the bus, will route the sound to the KP instead. I hardly mute tracks as its easier just to whack the faders down in a simple setup.
the return of the KP goes back into the desk (NEVER mute this channel... well its coooool FB fx on delay settings). i've dropped the output slightly for the alternate bus to avoid clipping, and then added a bit of a boost on the input channel.
a lot of mixers also allow you to set the levels for the FX send and return so you may have something there too...
it took me a while to find settings where the KP doesn't clip, and sounds at the same level as the orginal signal.
im having the same issue as the op only on a pioneer djm 707. if this is how its esigned then this is a real flaw and no good. it has no usefulness if so. im mad i will have to take it back. 150 down the rain as the place doesnt give refunds. i will have to put it on craigslist or ebay. just bought it yesterday
***edit i did some further testing.i think the issue is the mixer. i routed the line out of the mini kp to the session in on mixer and its still the same low volume when the send is engaged. its not the return its the send it seems it may be that when you engage the send on the mixer it cuts the db level of the audio sent out to the mini kp maybe. idk.
***edit edit i did the "feedback loop" described in a above post and sure enough the volume didnt drop so it is the mini kp and not the mixer and seem thats how its designed which is dumb
***edit i did some further testing.i think the issue is the mixer. i routed the line out of the mini kp to the session in on mixer and its still the same low volume when the send is engaged. its not the return its the send it seems it may be that when you engage the send on the mixer it cuts the db level of the audio sent out to the mini kp maybe. idk.
***edit edit i did the "feedback loop" described in a above post and sure enough the volume didnt drop so it is the mini kp and not the mixer and seem thats how its designed which is dumb
yes i did and like sooshee said there isnt a limiter in it. lowering the volume going in woulddnt and doesnt solve the problem. also i already tried the headphone jack and even with the volume turned all the way up. doesnt solve the problem. it outputs the same volume as the rca outs....xmlguy wrote:Have you tried lowering the signal that you send to the miniKP? It might be limiting the signal to avoid clipping, since it does need to have a level that it can process for the effects. If that doesn't work, you might use the headphone output to boost the signal, instead of the line out.
the signal has to be amplified be fore going into a effects return or whatever your plugging the mini kp output to. as a temporary fix i have it routed thru a clock radio i have which has a aux in and out on it. this is boosting the volume up enought that it still matches and doesnt drop with the effects engaged. im going to pick up a small line mixer about the size of the mini kp to run it thru for club gigs.