First of all, I would like to emphasize the fact that I'm aware this isn't official Korg's forum. But I'm also aware Korg employees are present in here (Jerrythek, UKtechsupport). My words are directed to Korg and not this community so I beg you, dear forum members and forum administrators, don't get offended with my words.
Today I was in a local store where they have Korg products; actually they are Korg distributors in Croatia. I noticed how Korg raised their prices significantly in the last few months. Specifically, I bought EXP-2 and nanoKontrol today, but was on the lookout for SP-250 too. Since it costs over 1100 euros now, I dropped this idea.
A very polite employee elaborated on the current situation and future Korg plans.
1. Korg's prices in Croatia are raised because Croatia is obligated to buy Korg for currency of jen. Bad currency is causing prices to raise. OK, I can live with that.
2. What I can't live with is this - Korg decided to charge for their products equally worldwide. Which means if some Korg product costs 1000 euros in Germany, it will cost 1000 euros in Croatia too. Korg obviously doesn't take into consideration the fact the German standard paycheck is about 1500 - 2000 euros per month, while Croatian is 500 - 1000 euros per month. More so, taxes aren't the same worldwide. Once again, Korg proves the worlds policy where rich get richer and poor gets poorer. USA has discounts and sale actions constantly - buy an M3, get 1-bit recorder for free. Discount on this, discount on that. USA doesn't have taxes on keyboards and IT equipment, while Croatia has and very high taxes those are (it's considered luxury in here). But Korg products were always waaaaay cheaper in USA than in Croatia, no matter taxes. Now, as if it wasn't hard enough for us to buy a new Korg product, Korg decided to raise the prices for 20 % in Croatia. Of course, not 20 % in relation to previous "normal" prices, but 20 % added to current 30 % price growth. Which literally means SP-250 which was about 800 euros is now 1100 euros and is going to be 1300 euros. But of course, if you buy it in USA, you'll get free M3M with it. (Americans, please do not feel offended, I don't have anything against you, I'm glad there is someone out there who can afford new gear at normal prices, the discrepancy between you and me is what's bothering me and that's not USA's fault but Korg's).
3. There are countries which are even poorer than Croatia is, I wonder how are musician there going to buy new Korg gear.
4. Korg figured out that prices in Croatia are too low (yes, too low, not a writing error) and decided to revoke Croatian distributor. Instead, Serbia in going to be distributor for the whole region. Of course, this will influence the price raise too.
I know there is world economy crisis. But charging 50 % more for the same gear can't be explained with any crisis.
I was loyal Korg user for almost 20 years. It saddens me greatly that Korg has absolutely no social sensitivity.
God bless you all.
Korg's shameless policy to under-developed countries
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That's OK, I'm aware of the necessity of the sales tax.every state in the US does have a sales tax
But besides sales taxes, we have also added-value tax (don't ask me what it is, we have it for 10 years, it's purpose is unknown to me, but it's 22 % per every product and every service) and independent tax for electronic equipment.
For example, M3 is 1900 $ in USA. In Croatia, it's 2400 $. In USA you get goodies alongside. In Croatia, you don't get goodies.
When Extreme was shipped with free MOSS, I bought my Extreme in Croatia. Of course, I didn't get free MOSS.
See the pattern here?
Thank you for your sympathy, kenackr.
I don't wish to sound insensitive to your situation, but I'm not sure I understand how all this is KORG's fault.
How much tax goes onto the price is down to your government. The UK Government just dropped theirs which is why it's now cheaper for me to buy from the UK than in Ireland. Should I complain to KORG UK ?.
As for promotional offers, even a kids "Happy Meal" in McDonalds is subject to participating stores only. So if KORG USA are running one, we are certainly not entitled to the same from KORG UK here in Europe.
As I said, I don't wish to sound insensitive, it's just that I can't see how you can argue for cheaper products. Why should you for example play less than the rest of the world.
Kind Regards.
Sharp.
How much tax goes onto the price is down to your government. The UK Government just dropped theirs which is why it's now cheaper for me to buy from the UK than in Ireland. Should I complain to KORG UK ?.
As for promotional offers, even a kids "Happy Meal" in McDonalds is subject to participating stores only. So if KORG USA are running one, we are certainly not entitled to the same from KORG UK here in Europe.
As I said, I don't wish to sound insensitive, it's just that I can't see how you can argue for cheaper products. Why should you for example play less than the rest of the world.
Kind Regards.
Sharp.
Korg is raising their prices enormously. In total, 50 % in a few months.
Korg doesn't offer goodies in Croatia. Ever. USA gets free MOSS. Australia get's free 1-bit recorder with M3 purchase. Every once in a while there is something free in countries with significantly higher standard. And I don't even track foreign market so closely to know more similar examples.
Croatian market is very loyal to Korg, majority of musician use Extreme (and other Triton incarnations), PA2xpro in the past, now PA2xpro and Pa800. Countries in region (Serbia, Bosnia and Hercegovina) are also mostly loyal to Extreme, Pa800 and Pa2xpro. But did we ever get something alongside with boards we over-payed anyhow? No.
If Korg can't live with profit it made so far and has to raise their prices, does it have to be 50 %?
Are we to blame M3 isn't selling well?
I don't have any hope I will influence current Korg policy in any way. My country is small. Insignificant to Korg. But I wanted to point out that world isn't uniform and there are even countries with lesser standard than Croatian. I wonder what will Korg sell there in the future. Maybe some guitar tuner.
Too bad. I prefer Korg above anything else. But it stops with Extreme, I believe.
Korg doesn't offer goodies in Croatia. Ever. USA gets free MOSS. Australia get's free 1-bit recorder with M3 purchase. Every once in a while there is something free in countries with significantly higher standard. And I don't even track foreign market so closely to know more similar examples.
Croatian market is very loyal to Korg, majority of musician use Extreme (and other Triton incarnations), PA2xpro in the past, now PA2xpro and Pa800. Countries in region (Serbia, Bosnia and Hercegovina) are also mostly loyal to Extreme, Pa800 and Pa2xpro. But did we ever get something alongside with boards we over-payed anyhow? No.
If Korg can't live with profit it made so far and has to raise their prices, does it have to be 50 %?
Are we to blame M3 isn't selling well?
I don't have any hope I will influence current Korg policy in any way. My country is small. Insignificant to Korg. But I wanted to point out that world isn't uniform and there are even countries with lesser standard than Croatian. I wonder what will Korg sell there in the future. Maybe some guitar tuner.
Too bad. I prefer Korg above anything else. But it stops with Extreme, I believe.
Speaking of the difficulties in this matter ... if I was Korg fan I would nag them to find a new distributor in Poland ASAP. I have proves of their (Megamusic) incompetence. On the other hand I cannot prove everything is their fault, rather than Korg. I do not want anyone's bussiness go down in these hard times and am aware of various independent difficulties, but please...
- EXP-2 is not found in any shop here (all of them rely on local distributor) since over a year or more. Now I really wonder whether Korg discontinued them or not?
- a friend bought a used TEX61 unit with broken ends (probably shipping's fault, which he apparently could not prove); not only he couldn't count on parts, he was put off by arrogant staff at Megamusic
- some (long) time ago I received padKONTROL which was told to be "new"... well _it was_ new but you would never like to see your new product arriving in such condition. The box was literally mangled as if a looter dig inside (though the packet looked very well from outside so I could not say anything's wrong when receiving the packet). The included CD packaging was broken (happily the contents survived); the unit itself looked perfect, just the data encoder looked something strange ... well, then I realized it was broken
- I've seen a thread of dissatisfied customer somewhere on Polish forum; there were many supporting voices complaing on the quality of services
I do not want to contribute to deprivation of someone's income with such posts, I just demand for more customer care in civilized world we live in... don't we?
Greetings,
Krzysiek
- EXP-2 is not found in any shop here (all of them rely on local distributor) since over a year or more. Now I really wonder whether Korg discontinued them or not?
- a friend bought a used TEX61 unit with broken ends (probably shipping's fault, which he apparently could not prove); not only he couldn't count on parts, he was put off by arrogant staff at Megamusic
- some (long) time ago I received padKONTROL which was told to be "new"... well _it was_ new but you would never like to see your new product arriving in such condition. The box was literally mangled as if a looter dig inside (though the packet looked very well from outside so I could not say anything's wrong when receiving the packet). The included CD packaging was broken (happily the contents survived); the unit itself looked perfect, just the data encoder looked something strange ... well, then I realized it was broken
- I've seen a thread of dissatisfied customer somewhere on Polish forum; there were many supporting voices complaing on the quality of services
I do not want to contribute to deprivation of someone's income with such posts, I just demand for more customer care in civilized world we live in... don't we?
Greetings,
Krzysiek
What's keeping you from buying the products elsewhere where it's cheaper, and then selling them yourself at a profit while undercutting the local price? Whatever barriers you experience in performing this kind of arbitrage is the real source of the monopoly power that sellers can exploit for profit. If you get together with other musicians in your country, you can be very resourceful to your mutual benefit. The opportunity with quality pre-owned gear is even higher, if you are buying in countries where the spread is more to your country's advantage.
If you start with small gear, you can roll your profits into getting yourself the means to move larger gear.
If you start with small gear, you can roll your profits into getting yourself the means to move larger gear.
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This isn't down to Korg..Its down to the Croatian Distributor... they still have to pay for what they buy from Korg Inc as all distributors do..if they choose not to give product away, thats up to them.shrike wrote:Korg doesn't offer goodies in Croatia. Ever.
Please dont blame Korg for the value of the Yen decreasing and taxes imposed by the Croatian government... of which Korg has no control.
OK, but the local "European" prices won't encourage the customers as well. I can observe it on my country (which by some means can be compared to Croatia). Anyone who has the opportunity here, do everything to bring the gear from US - because even by adding all the taxes (duty/VAT) and shipping, the price is still better than the local price. German prices are often higher.the governments can't stop products and services to the imported and exported
For example:
M3-61 in US is for around $1900
M3-61 in Poland is for €1836
M3-61 in Germany is for €2.736,00 LOL
(1 USD = ~0.79 EUR according to the current exchange rate)
Someone is certainly doing a dirty bussiness here (and I belive Korg Inc. at Japan has nothing to do with it) ... OK, the political correctness. Anyway the future is very uncertain these days.
€1990 for the M3-61, a 4GB memory stick, a pair of headphones, 3 year warranty and book on Synthesizers.M3-61 in Germany is for €2.736,00 LOL
Thomann in Germany.
http://www.thomann.de/ie/korg_m3_61_wor ... bundle.htm
Regards
Sharp.