Subpar wrote:Arguing over the Internet is pretty pointless. But you said it the fantom g crapper out on him in multiple situations. To my knowledge there has only been one. And that device suffured damage from gigging. What made it a publicity problem was the fact that he did t have a backup a lesson we shops all learn. You don't have any idea how many times his oasys might have suffered damage as part of the rigorous track schedule they maintain because he always had a backup. Stop blowing things out of proportion people. I giged with my M3 61 and the whole upper octave had key damage where the keys where stuck. 200 $ later keys fixed. That is part of life on the road. I don't think there is a single person who travels with there gear that hasn't had somethpe of issue on the road.Mine suffered damage on a plane the the UK. So should I come on here and start flaming Korg ? Nope should I take it as a grain of salt as life on the road? Yes. If you want to talk quality, the G is built like a tank and weighs as much too. I have giged the g 3-4 times a week since sept and it doesn't have as much as a scratch. I wish I could say the same for the m3. The cheap paint they use on the module is hardly road tough. Seriosly. People who think that JR incident reflects the G not the wear and tear of life on the road are sadly mistaken. And to learn for jr mistakes I just got my second g8 today. So now I have a backup as well.
As far as sounds, no the g cannot compete with re oasys nor was it advertised as such. The version of the G that he used didn't even have multisampming. It does now obviosly. Jordan uses alot of samples. But the end resul is the oasys with all the expansions provide him with a larger palete which is also larger than the m3 which is the g's direct competitor. Jordan also said that he was ago to build the entire set for the LT gigs with the waveforms that came on the g out I the box, without adding loads of samples. And for that he was very complementery. The g is at tv beginning stages of development much like the m3 was or any workstations are in the first year. Korg continue to improve the m3 and Roland continue to improve the g. Look at where the FX finished after all the updates. Look at the triton, look at the fusion , look at the motif, look at the m3. They all get better ovrtime. That is the reality of the market we live in.
Same with the beloved oasys....
My point here is I make music. I have gear from many manufacturers. Every workstaion has it's ups and downs. I believe that everyone has a right to an opinion and to express that opinion. Everyone has the right to not like a workstation and there are many who hate Korg just go to the motif forums. Don't twist things like JR experience to paint an incorrect picture of an extremely capable workstation. We should encourage everyone to trythem all out and pic what is best for them and thier style. You never know what genius thought could be triggered or inspired by any workstation. The point is they need to test them in person and take anything that someone says from behind a pc with a grain of salt.
I love music and making music. Much love to the people here on these forums. I have learned alot here and wanted to give back something more constructive to people here.
Peace!!!
Here's the problem with your part of your comments I'm stating everything Jordan Rudess has said himself. He's flaming the Roland Fantom G and for the record let me set a couple of things straight.
1. The fantom G has crapped out three times according to his people. One of the times he was able to reboot, another time he switched to a backup unit and the other time he didn't have a back up unit.
2. One of JR's good friends, Andrew Saltmarsh, who is a writer, has said how disappointed he is with the fantom G and how he feels its counter-intuitive. This point was verified by another one of his friends, Charles Tentindo who also said the same thing.
3. JR has also made mention of issues he's had with the following things on the fantom G - Custom multisamples not loading, then, when loaded, not triggering correctly, the newly implemented audio automation feature in a recent update doesn't work properly, some of the drums tracks have locked tones in that they are non customizable, there are no sample assign and BPM calculate features, the sampler they added to the G is incredibly limited and not worth using.
4. The Rudess camp has also said JR is not happy regarding the sound quality of the Fantom G.
5. He has also said he will not re-endorse or use the Fantom G after the deal is up.
I don't care how you slice and dice this, he is not happy with the fantom G. Everyone around his him says it.
Its also important to restate many of the people flaming the Fantom G are former owners of the Fantom G and current owners of the fantom X who wanted to upgrade. Direct experience with the unit. Lastly in my travels and discussions with keyboardist, what is being said on the internet is also being told to me verbally by those who have hands on experience. Other sound mixers I've spoken to and worked with have also made comments regarding the fantom G sounding thin. Again direct experience. I can get the fantom G to sound decent in a live mix but I have to work alot harder and apply more fx to make it so.
And there was this one time at band camp......