Loading .wavs = big headache

[postilon]

KORG or someone needs to release a simple program to convert .wavs , etc. into the korg multisample format because it is so time consuming to do it from the M3 that it's almost useless as a sampler. The M3 itself should have a quick function that creates a multisample and names it directly from the sample. I really love the M3 but this is a major oversight.

[Rob Sherratt]

Hello postilon,

It's very easy to convert .wav files into Korg format multisamples for use on the M3. After Nedim (BasariStudios) told me about it, I now use the $99 version of Awave Studio toautomate the process, downloadable here ...

http://www.fmjsoft.com/awframe.html

Sharp and others use a program called Extreme Sample Converter which is apparently very good for processing samples, and it can act as a VSTi engine for PC sampling. But I don't think it can yet create Korg format multisamples suitable for the M3. I believe the author is working on Korg multisample conversions at the moment - there was a thread recently started on the Pa2x/Pa800 section by Nedim. I will probably switch from Awave Studio to Extreme Sample Converter if Korg support is added.

http://www.extranslator.com/

Regards,
Rob

[Tronman]

If you convert WAV files to Korg format, are the samples compressed? Is there any loss of sound quality? Does Korg format load faster than WAV format? If I have one sample per key, will they map correctly?

[sani]

KORG or someone needs to release a simple program to convert .wavs , etc. into the korg multisample format because it is so time consuming to do it from the M3 that it's almost useless as a sampler. The M3 itself should have a quick function that creates a multisample and names it directly from the sample. I really love the M3 but this is a major oversight.

1.
There is a program and it is called Awave. Google it.

2.
Korg doesn't need and cannot build a "simple" program to convert wav to a multisample because those terms are different categories. A .wav is usually a single audio record. A multisample consists of multiple waves. There are programs which can sample, create loops and make multisamples all at once. But the endresult is usually a multisample bigger in size than the whole expanded Ram memory in the M3. The clue is to make a multisample as small as possible, yet to retain the maximum possible sonic qualiti. Therefor, the size of an individual sample has to be carefully trimmed, the loop has to be perfect and the number of the samples in a multisample has also to be as small as possible. All this to give you enough room in the memory for your other samples.
A computer program cannot do this without a human brain. There are sounds where you can use one sample per octave and it will sound good, and there are sounds (like vocals, choirs) where you usually need a new sample for every second or third key on the keyboard. A computer (program) doesn't have ears and cannot decide how many samples are enough for a good endresult.
That's it "in short".

[Stefanus Wayanartha]

I've tried the awave program. it can convert even soundfonts and other formats into Triton Banks or Programs. But after converting, and i try to load into my M3, it said that file failure... in a short word is: M3 cannot load the converted sample file from any format to triton sample format...

or....i've done something incorrect. is there someone who has tried the awave program to convert some soundfonts or wave file into M3 samples?

[Rob Sherratt]

Hi Stefanus,

Yes I have.

You need to save the multisample(s) from Awave studio in Korg triton/trinity multisample format. You may need the $99 licensed version to do this, I can't remember if the unlicensed version has the function enabled.

Then load the multisamples into the M3, specifying the file which ends .KSC which is the script that imports all the rest.

See page 423 section 30 "Load .KSC" in the M3 Expanded Parameter Guide version E6. Make sure the parameters "Load ****.PCG" and "Load ****.SNG" are NOT selected since you will have to create the .PCG file yourself after the Multisamples are loaded.

Best regards,
Rob

[BasariStudios]

I use Awave on a daily basis, even right now while writing this, never have
any problem...it must be some wrong doing in there, explain the procedure.

[Stefanus Wayanartha]

StA:
so i will explain what i've done

i tried awave at my friend's studio, because he has the licensed awave..

i opened my own soundfont sample, just one sound. i named it Reality Piano.

after opened it, i saved it using save collection into .KSC (triton script format). the result is one .KSC file, and a folder which so many .KMP and .KSF files.

then i load it in my M3, using Open Media. then i click at RealtyPiano.KSC, and the message "file unavailable" appears.... i cannot load my Reality Piano sample

was i missing something???

[Rob Sherratt]

StA:
so i will explain what i've done

i tried awave at my friend's studio, because he has the licensed awave..

i opened my own soundfont sample, just one sound. i named it Reality Piano.

after opened it, i saved it using save collection into .KSC (triton script format). the result is one .KSC file, and a folder which so many .KMP and .KSF files.

then i load it in my M3, using Open Media. then i click at RealtyPiano.KSC, and the message "file unavailable" appears.... i cannot load my Reality Piano sample

was i missing something???

Well, there is no problem on my M3 using Media - Load - Load on the KSC file. I do not know why you are using Media - Load - Open. You can email me your KSC file collection (with all subdirectories) if you want me to try your specific file.

The other possibility is that your USB Pen drive might be faulty. Do not use Sandisk Cruzer or any brand that has hidden autoload partitions. Thee screw up the file handling system on the M3 and other Korg keyboards such as the Pa2x.

Best regards,
Rob

[Stefanus Wayanartha]

StA:
oke maybe tomorow i will send you my .KSC file thank uu. i use verbatim 8GB flashdisk, just single partition. I can load any soundfonts from my flashdisk (but you know that no soundfont file load perfectly in my m3, poor korg SF convertion)... i think the problem is not my flashdisk. maybe the way i create the KSC file

[postilon]

Thanks for the ideas, I'll give it a try.