Suggestions for OASYS Forum and OASYS Sound Developers

[Kevin Nolan]

Hi -

Reading current posts regarding the future sound support for the OASYS prompts the following suggestions:


For the Forum:

- New sticky wish list post for new sounds, samples, combi's, loops, GE's, wave sequences...

- A wiki interface for hints, tricks, programming approaches etc.

- Update the resources list - many of the links no longer work - and - there are many free sounds out there including mine and the DX/FM library that many do not know about


For Sound Developers:

- As indicated on another post - concentrate on sound sets not already catered for especially:

Choirs and Vocals
Orchestral Percussion
Ethnic and World instruments...

- However - a real bug bearer for me regarding Korgs, Karo and Sharp sample libraries is their sheer size. Hence, I would strongly recommend that you organise sample libraries in such a way that individual instruments, classes of instrument and the entire library can be sold and loaded separately. OASYS is limited to 2GB and it is incredibly frustrating to have to load everything in a library taking up a minimum of hundreds of megabytes.

- I would also suggest that you also provide future libraries in full fidelity as well as in a compressed format akin to the differences between OASYS and the M3. For sketching, practice and performance the compressed format could be loaded; for pristine recording/tracking the full fidelity version could then be loaded.

- Finally I would suggest that OASYS’s 4 sample velocity layers is not enough for detailed velocity switching – rather smaller sample sets on a single layer and more detailed programming of velocity amplitude and filtering would arguably be more beneficial. For example, while KARO’s CP80 samples are absolutely exquisite, you can hear the velocity layering/switching on some programs rendering them unplayable. By comparison, KORG’s recent program library contains some excellent CP80’s wonderfully programmed but using its single layer CP80 multisample. Similar quality programming of just one layer of KARO’s CP80 would arguably yield superior results all round.

Kevin.

[jerrythek]

Great ideas, Kevin.

One quick note:

Finally I would suggest that OASYS’s 4 sample velocity layers is not enough for detailed velocity switching – rather smaller sample sets on a single layer and more detailed programming of velocity amplitude and filtering would arguably be more beneficial. For example, while KARO’s CP80 samples are absolutely exquisite, you can hear the velocity layering/switching on some programs rendering them unplayable. By comparison, KORG’s recent program library contains some excellent CP80’s wonderfully programmed but using its single layer CP80 multisample. Similar quality programming of just one layer of KARO’s CP80 would arguably yield superior results all round.

By using the Oscillator Velocity Zone parameter on each Osc basic Page you can "stack" the oscillators on top of each. Doing this you can make an 8-way velocity switched Program. This could be exploited more by sound developers to produce even smoother graduations in velocity-switched sounds... with the right PCM. Try it.

Regards,

Jerry

[Charlie]

Good ideas, Kevin!

Regarding velocity layers: wouldn't it theoretically be possible to have a 16x4=64 layer sound when (ab)using a Combi for a "Programm"?

[jerrythek]

Yes Charlie, it certainly is possible.

If you look at how we solved Akai importing you'll see us often using multiple Programs in a Combi to do this. That was because of more velocity layers, and also the need to more and more samples that had individual panning, so we needed to make more Programs to replicate that.

But my first tip is pretty easy to manage while programming since it all lives in the same Program. So it's a good first step, and is not noticed too often (i.e. more than 4 vel zones).

But I'm sure Karo could exploit all these ideas...



Regards,

Jerry

[Daz]

Interesting related note from the Operations Guide :

Velocity-Switching Wave Sequences
By setting each step’s duration to GATE, and then 
modulating the Start Step by velocity, you can create a 
sound with up to 64 velocity switches. For instance, 
you can use this to switch between a large number of 
different attack transients.

Daz.

[jerrythek]

So much to still learn and explore...

[Daz]

It definitely requires a team effort to learn all that's on offer in the Oasys.

[Tiger789]

For Sound Developers:

- As indicated on another post - concentrate on sound sets not already catered for especially:

Choirs and Vocals
Orchestral Percussion
Ethnic and World instruments...

Excellent suggestion.

I would appreciate some more new drumkits for the Oasys as well. But "choirs and vocals" is definitely # 1 on my wishlist.

-Tiger

Guitarist / Classical pianist
Oslo, Norway
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Korg Oasys 88 - # 002113 + Karo Philh. Strings
Roland Fantom G6 + ARX-01
Yamaha Clavinova CVP-309PE

Amps: Marshall 2205 + 2210 w/1960A cab. Marshall Mode Four + cab. 3 x Marshall SE-100.
Effects: Roland SDE-2500, 2 x Roland SBF-325, Alesis Midiverb II. DOD 250 & Cry baby 535. Wireless systems etc.
Guitars: 3 Fender Strats, 2 w/HS-3 & YJM pics. + nylon classical guitar
Recording: Roland VS-2480CD incl. MB-24 meterbridge, All 3. party plug-ins available, mouse, 22" widescreen, 160GB Backup system.
Monitors: Dynaudio Acoustics BM 6A Mk II. Samson Resolv 65a.
Mics: AKG C 3000B, Shure SM 58, AKG 240 headphones
Other: Boss DR-880, studioracks, patchbays, vintage effects from the 70's & 80's.

[fdspeck]

Interesting related note from the Operations Guide :

Velocity-Switching Wave Sequences
By setting each step’s duration to GATE, and then 
modulating the Start Step by velocity, you can create a 
sound with up to 64 velocity switches. For instance, 
you can use this to switch between a large number of 
different attack transients.

Daz.

I use this feature a lot, i.e. for electric piano sounds with 12 or 16 velocity layers. It somewhat compensates for HD-1 having only two oscillators. You have to keep in mind though that if you copy a program from one bank to another (i.e. because you need that bank for loading other programs and wave sequences) you have to copy the wave sequence too. Also note that the velocity resolution in principle is reduced by factor 2. But all in all it's a great feature.

Another great feature are the two AMS output parameters. Thus you can assign two different parameters for each velocity layer. If you use it to modulate the filter frequency and the velocity amount controlling this frequency you can create very smooth transitions from one velocity layer to another.

Another thing you can do with switching multisamples via a wave sequence is round robin or choosing multisamples randomly. Just check it out.

-Frank-

[zolhof]

Another thing you can do with switching multisamples via a wave sequence is round robin or choosing multisamples randomly. Just check it out.

-Frank-

that´s interesting, I was thinking about this today, I´ll sample my friend´s guitar (earnie ball jpm) and want to do more than 1 sample per note.. so it´s possible to do round robin in the O? how complicated is this?

[medusaland]

But I'm sure Karo could exploit all these ideas...



Regards,

Jerry

Hi Jerry,

yes we no this

Take care my friend,

Kurt

[jerrythek]

I use this feature a lot, i.e. for electric piano sounds with 12 or 16 velocity layers. It somewhat compensates for HD-1 having only two oscillators. You have to keep in mind though that if you copy a program from one bank to another (i.e. because you need that bank for loading other programs and wave sequences) you have to copy the wave sequence too. Also note that the velocity resolution in principle is reduced by factor 2. But all in all it's a great feature.

Another great feature are the two AMS output parameters. Thus you can assign two different parameters for each velocity layer. If you use it to modulate the filter frequency and the velocity amount controlling this frequency you can create very smooth transitions from one velocity layer to another.

Another thing you can do with switching multisamples via a wave sequence is round robin or choosing multisamples randomly. Just check it out.

-Frank-

You seem to be taking good advantage of these features - I'd love to hear a few of your sounds to see what you're doing. Care to share?

regards,

Jerry

[medusaland]

- Update the resources list - many of the links no longer work - and - there are many free sounds out there including mine and the DX/FM library that many do not know about


For Sound Developers:

- As indicated on another post - concentrate on sound sets not already catered for especially:

Choirs and Vocals
Orchestral Percussion
Ethnic and World instruments...



Kevin.

Hi OASYANS,


We've just published our KTC but in about 3 weeks, we release 2 new fantastic FM libraries KFM-1 and KFM-2...

KFM-1 covered a TX-816 library reworked with the MOD-7 parameters.
256 programs & 128 combis

KFM-2 covered a special DX library reworked with the MOD-7 parameters.
256 programs and maybe combis

KM400
At the same time we present a complete Mellotron 400 highend sample library. we sampled all the 35 keys from each sound and they are not looped so as authentically as possible...

then in the summer we introduce our KSL symphonic library including orchestral percussion

Thats it for now, but we planned a surprise

with the new 2 guys Peter and Guido is already a little more

Best wishes,

Kurt
KARO Sound Development
EWBR, medusaland, Peter & Guido

[danatkorg]

Another thing you can do with switching multisamples via a wave sequence is round robin or choosing multisamples randomly. Just check it out.

-Frank-

that´s interesting, I was thinking about this today, I´ll sample my friend´s guitar (earnie ball jpm) and want to do more than 1 sample per note.. so it´s possible to do round robin in the O? how complicated is this?

See "Note-On Advance" (Parameter Guide page 725, latest version E5).

[peter m. mahr]

KFM-1 covered a TX-816 library reworked with the MOD-7 parameters.
256 programs & 128 combis

KFM-2 covered a special DX library reworked with the MOD-7 parameters.
256 programs and maybe combis

KM400
At the same time we present a complete Mellotron 400 highend sample library. we sampled all the 35 keys from each sound and they are not looped so as authentically as possible...
EWBR, medusaland, Peter & Guido

Definitely looking forward to the forthcoming release of the new libraries. Especially to the TX-816 library 256 programs and combis. Are these the sounds Hubertus Maas programmed for the TX?

Tja, KARO macht's wieder gut !

Peter