Reseller for OASYS ASSAULT - KARO

Post by **Sharp** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:16 pm

Hi all.
Just a quick note to say that the good guys over at KARO are now resellers for my OASYS ASSAULT library.

http://www.karo-sounds.com

They also offer the added service of actually being able to download the library which is new. Pretty handy for those who want to save a little money and a lot of time.

Kind Regards
Sharp.

PS: Thanks Karo.

Kevin Nolan · Post by **Kevin Nolan** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:29 pm

Congratulations Sharp and Karo. This looks like a very interesting merger. I hope it goes well for the both of you. As an 'Assault' owner I heartly recommend the library - I really mean that and there is no ulterior morive for recommending your library other than it being absolutely excellent.

As one item on my wish list both to you and Karo - even for an upgrade fee - for your libraries to be repackaged so they can be loaded in smaller chunks, given OASYS's limited sample RAM. I realise Karo have done this with their Pianos, but for their strings, and upcoming libraries, its really important to be able to pick and choose. There's loads on Assault that is truly exquisite but alas you have to ditch all other sample libraries in OASYS to use it. By comparison, I recently purchased 'World Wind' ethnic wind instruments in AKAI format (on you recommendation to look for AKAI libraries!!) and what's fantastic about it is that one one instrument at a time can be loaded.

So I heartely recommend Assault as a library - it really is an Assault on the OASYS! - but as said it'd be far more usable in general if individual instruments could be loaded - surely not a reorg job? that's possible?

Kevin.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:51 am

I want to echo this idea. Esp. Sharp's library is VERY big. It would be great to have it in smaller groups (like choirs, pads, pianos etc.). I'd definetly use it more often then.

mdh · Post by **mdh** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:09 am

Charlie wrote:I want to echo this idea. Esp. Sharp's library is VERY big. It would be great to have it in smaller groups (like choirs, pads, pianos etc.). I'd definetly use it more often then.

You can always split it apart yourself. I think it was Daz who has a post in a thread somewhere here explaining how its done... from memory its a frustratingly painful time-consuming process where you load in the bits you want (open, not load, the .pcg file in disk mode then load the sound you want into the combi/program bank you want) then when you're all done, you can save your own .pcg file ticking all the boxes so everything gets saved. You only need to load this file to then get everything back.

What I don't know is if you want to combine say the piano from OASYS ASSAULT with the EXs1 drum kit, if you need to load all of EXs1 globally or if it'll just remember that sample when you save the setup (it'll make a folder with them all ... .ksc iirc). Same for EXs2 & 3 ... MOD-7 doesn't use samples afaik so programs using it will be fine.

I shall experiment and find out next time I have free cycles on my O
(or someone else who is more clued in than me - about 72.5% of the userbase here - will tell you

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:02 am

I dont understand: don't I have to locate the corresponding multisamples somehow in the program in order to sound it as intended? Of course it's easy to load just the needed program. But how does it pick only the needed samples without loading all of them? I'm confused ...

Post by **Sharp** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:09 pm

Hi Guys.

For me to break the library down as you ask would actually generate even more sample data. It's not the official KORG way to customise a sound library anyway.

What your supposed to do is use the “Load PCG and RAM” option in disk mode but to get to that stage first there's a very clever way to only load what samples you need.

So...... here goes.

1: Copy the Library from the DVD to a folder on your OASYS called Temp

2: Load the KSC file.

3: In Disk mode select the PCG file but DO NOT load it, select OPEN and navigate into the file until you see the individual sounds. If you touch the name of a sound, you can actually hear what it sounds like by playing the keys at this point.

4: Load the individual sound you want to use into the OASYS using the Tab in the top right of the screen. (make sure your loading into an empty bank – you can clear out an entire bank using global mode)

5: Continue to only the sounds you want from the Library one by one in order.

6: When you have a completed loading the sounds you wanted, save the PCG file back to disk and overwrite the PCG file in the Temp folder. The PCG file should only contain the new bank you just made.

7: Go to sampling mode and flush out the memory by deleting all multisampes and samples.

8: Go to disk mode and select the PCG file you just saved and using the tab in the top right of the screen select the “Load PCG & Ram” option. This will load the PCG file to memory and it will automaticly get the OASYS to scan through the entire 1.5GB of samples only loading what it needs to be loaded in order to get the programs you selected loaded.

This is now your custom library and it's optimised for the least amount of memory usage.

8: Delete the Temo folder and save your new custom library back to disk using the save all option.

Regards.
Sharp.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:52 pm

Thanx for this, Sharp!

Post by **Sharp** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:29 pm

No problem.
If I can be of any help just let me know.

Maybe in the future KORG can make this easier. The way AKAI Samplers work would be perfect. You can load sounds directly to memory one at a time and at no point will the same samples be loaded twice if other programs use the same samples.

Regards.
Sharp.

Kevin Nolan · Post by **Kevin Nolan** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:59 pm

Sharp -

I havent quite followed your point here - are you saying its not possible to make smaller and individual instrument libraries?

A serious suggestion to you and to Karo - why not release all your libraries in AKAI format - in this way OASYS will read them exquisitely and seperately and you will have vastly greater commercial opportunities.

In fact in general while you gravitate to OASYS through obvious passion for the instrument; surely theres potentially serious business to be had from your libraries across various formats from AKAI to Kontakt

Sorry for poorer (than usual) typos - Im delighted to say that Im typing this message from inside IRCAM, Paris where Im on a 6 day course on MAX/MSP (though MAX5). Its a stunning enviroment and of all the projects were going through its to make ... a 6 operator FM synthesizer using VPM. I have a deeper appreciation for MOD7 already. This environment coupled to IRCAMs software is fabulous. I highly recommend to anyone to join Forum IRCAM where you get access to their incredible sofware for a yearly license fee but als gain access to courses like this at a very cheap rate ( and many are free).

Kevin.

Post by **Sharp** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:10 pm

I havent quite followed your point here - are you saying its not possible to make smaller and individual instrument libraries?

To do what you ask would result in 128 PCG and 128 different sets of samples that would generate far more than 1.5GB of data. So it can be done, but the problem is that KORG keyboards are not able to take into consideration what they already have loaded into memory at all times unlike AKAI Sampler can. So if one sample is used in 10 different programs, when it comes to loading those sounds one by one the OASYS will load the same sample to memory 10 time.

So the only way to create an optimized custom library is to use the instructions I posted above.

It also depends on the content of the library. For straight sounds like Pianos and Strings your very unlikely to use the samples more than once or twice, but for the likes of OASYS ASSAULT where I have 8 true stereo OSC's to work with and an very deep engine, mixing samples together and mangling them with the engine can produce fantastic results.

A serious suggestion to you and to Karo - why not release all your libraries in AKAI format - in this way OASYS will read them exquisitely and seperately and you will have vastly greater commercial opportunities.

The OASYS loads AKAI format perfectly, but AKAI format can't make use everything the HD-1 engine has to offer. For example I wouldn't be able to write KARMA settings Insert Effects, Ribbon and real-time controls and so on.

Basically, the library wouldn't sound as good as it could and we wouldn't be able to make the most of the OASYS if we did that.

In fact in general while you gravitate to OASYS through obvious passion for the instrument; surely theres potentially serious business to be had from your libraries across various formats from AKAI to Kontakt

It's something I've always wanted to do and who knows maybe I will someday. For me right now none of this is a business and what I make is nothing more than pocket money at the end of a month. It's actually not worth the effort when you sit down and consider how long it takes and how much it costs to produce a library. For me though it's more like a passion as I love making sounds and I'm hoping one day KORG will give me a break and notice the work I've been doing and give me a job

I do what I do because I love it.

Sorry for poorer (than usual) typos - Im delighted to say that Im typing this message from inside IRCAM, Paris where Im on a 6 day course on MAX/MSP (though MAX5)

Ooohhh Sweet.
Have a good time mate.

Regards.
Sharp.

Kevin Nolan · Post by **Kevin Nolan** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:37 pm

Sharp -

Thanks for your very clear and detailed answer. I see exactly what you mean now. Your answer gives a deep appreciation of the OASYS, the depth and value of your programs and you understanding of Korg technology. I'll treasure OASYS ASSAULT all the more now!

Cheers,
Kevin.