Hi all,
My PA50 died on me last Saturday night. A regulator in the power supply went short circuit and burned the entire PSU board and caused another short in the main board.
My dealer says its not worth repairing.
Its not under warranty so i'm going to dump it.
I'll never ever trust a Korg again. Gonna buy me a Roland E-80 or an SD5.
I'm so disgusted. Cheap Chinese components.
Bye Bye PA50
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The same thing happened to me with my Nikon F100 35mm film camera. It went short and repair costs where higher than a new one.
The same thing I said, will NEVER trust Nikon gear again. Cheap chinese parts.
Now, check who is using and trusting Nikon and Korg on a daily basis?
I dunno you'll find higher quality parts on Rolands or Yamahas.
The same thing I said, will NEVER trust Nikon gear again. Cheap chinese parts.
Now, check who is using and trusting Nikon and Korg on a daily basis?
I dunno you'll find higher quality parts on Rolands or Yamahas.
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Aren't Rolands and yamaha's also made of cheap Chinese junk (meaning outsourced to China) and then sold under Japanese companies (meaning Roland and Yamaha) ? 
I too have had a korg problem by the way. One of my oscillators burnt inside and it cost me $150 to repair. It was on the mainboard of the Pa50.
I too have had a korg problem by the way. One of my oscillators burnt inside and it cost me $150 to repair. It was on the mainboard of the Pa50.
Re: Roland/Yamaha
I'm afraid not dude.
All Roland arrangers are made in Italy whereas Yamaha's are still made in Japan.
Yes the cheaper Yammies are made in China. Like all Korgs. Korg still make the circuit boards in Japan but send them to China. Plus I read somewhere a circuit board for a Korg tends to be a variable quality which might explain why my PA50 ended up in a skip.
All Roland arrangers are made in Italy whereas Yamaha's are still made in Japan.
Yes the cheaper Yammies are made in China. Like all Korgs. Korg still make the circuit boards in Japan but send them to China. Plus I read somewhere a circuit board for a Korg tends to be a variable quality which might explain why my PA50 ended up in a skip.
Re: Bye Bye PA50
The same thing nearly happend to my pa 800. Suddenly smelly smoke came out of it and I turned it off in a hurry. Scary.dermotm wrote:Hi all,
My PA50 died on me last Saturday night. A regulator in the power supply went short circuit and burned the entire PSU board and caused another short in the main board.
My dealer says its not worth repairing.
Its not under warranty so i'm going to dump it.
I'll never ever trust a Korg again. Gonna buy me a Roland E-80 or an SD5.
I'm so disgusted. Cheap Chinese components.
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Re: Roland/Yamaha
Roland has factories in Taiwan, the U.S., Italy - like you mentioned, and Japan of course. It is disappointing to see people pay so much for arrangers and yet get cheap junk in return....dermotm wrote:I'm afraid not dude.
All Roland arrangers are made in Italy whereas Yamaha's are still made in Japan.
Yes the cheaper Yammies are made in China. Like all Korgs. Korg still make the circuit boards in Japan but send them to China. Plus I read somewhere a circuit board for a Korg tends to be a variable quality which might explain why my PA50 ended up in a skip.
Bye Bye PA50
See what i mean. They use cheap components and then expect you to pay a premium price.
How many Korg users have had broken joysticks, buttons that stick, countless OS faults, LCD faults and i've even had a call from a friend of mine who traded in his Tyros 3 for a new PA2x that on his first night out with it wouldn't boot up and had to pack up and go home. Needless to say he took back the T3.
Doesn't exactly inspire much confidence in the brand.
You see Korg users in Ireland do not not have a service centre; it has to go to the UK, whereas Roland and Yamaha and Ketron do. And have the keyboard back in a matter of days.
How many Korg users have had broken joysticks, buttons that stick, countless OS faults, LCD faults and i've even had a call from a friend of mine who traded in his Tyros 3 for a new PA2x that on his first night out with it wouldn't boot up and had to pack up and go home. Needless to say he took back the T3.
Doesn't exactly inspire much confidence in the brand.
You see Korg users in Ireland do not not have a service centre; it has to go to the UK, whereas Roland and Yamaha and Ketron do. And have the keyboard back in a matter of days.
this is plain bull****.
if you don't care enough about the keyboard to play it normally, to carry it properly, to store it right and so on, don't expect to keep you forever.
so many times, these "defects" are simply misuse issues.
learn to use it correct, and i tell you even the poor and cheap PA50 will last for some good years.
if you don't care enough about the keyboard to play it normally, to carry it properly, to store it right and so on, don't expect to keep you forever.
so many times, these "defects" are simply misuse issues.
learn to use it correct, and i tell you even the poor and cheap PA50 will last for some good years.
"Many people take the bad management for destiny!" - Kin Hubbard
Sorry Adimatis, its about not treating it properly, i carried it in a flightcase as most people would. Music is my livelihood so why wouldn't i take care of it?
Adimatis, look at any of the Korg forums.
You will see people looking for help on keyboards, freezing problems, key not sounding. Is this down to mistreatment? I think not.
A brand new PA2x not booting? No my friend its a general lack of care on Korgs part.
Heres an example.
For nearly 5 years and gigging 3 nights a week I owned a Ketron XD9.
When i bought it i was released 4 months. Ketron KNEW it had many faults as a new keyboard does. They apologised on their website and said they were working on it. It was an LCD fault. Anybody that had this fault and told Ketron, indeed in Ireland alone it was up on 100 people, Ketron sent out an updated LCD module under warranty or €57 if not under warranty if you sent back the faulty one. They also released the updated OS with ALL the bugs fixed. The new Ketron Audya has had 3 major OS updates and its only been available properly since February. You see Adimatis, Ketron know about these problems and will LISTEN to customers.
Thats what i call customer service.
When my Korg went up in smoke, i called the Korg Tech support centre in the UK. They told me its not worth fixing.
You don't tell people that. It doesn't inspire confidence. They could have at least said to me to send it in and they could take a look.
I bought a Roland E-80 to use as my main keyboard along with my 5 year old Ketron.
I had a OS problem and i phoned Roland in Ireland. A tech support guy took my details and i had an email from Roland in Italy with an hour. He sent me the updated OS with the bug fixed.
Roland also listened to its customers. Some of its G70 customers had a problem with the keyboard. They also wanted to be able to save any effects they had used in a SMF to a floppy disk. It wasn't a bug. Roland promptly went and created the new G70 version 2 with all these customer requests and also included a new Guitar Mode. A real strumming guitar you can play from the keyboard.
I rest my case.
So my friend, your argument about not looking after a keyboard is nonsense.
Adimatis, look at any of the Korg forums.
You will see people looking for help on keyboards, freezing problems, key not sounding. Is this down to mistreatment? I think not.
A brand new PA2x not booting? No my friend its a general lack of care on Korgs part.
Heres an example.
For nearly 5 years and gigging 3 nights a week I owned a Ketron XD9.
When i bought it i was released 4 months. Ketron KNEW it had many faults as a new keyboard does. They apologised on their website and said they were working on it. It was an LCD fault. Anybody that had this fault and told Ketron, indeed in Ireland alone it was up on 100 people, Ketron sent out an updated LCD module under warranty or €57 if not under warranty if you sent back the faulty one. They also released the updated OS with ALL the bugs fixed. The new Ketron Audya has had 3 major OS updates and its only been available properly since February. You see Adimatis, Ketron know about these problems and will LISTEN to customers.
Thats what i call customer service.
When my Korg went up in smoke, i called the Korg Tech support centre in the UK. They told me its not worth fixing.
You don't tell people that. It doesn't inspire confidence. They could have at least said to me to send it in and they could take a look.
I bought a Roland E-80 to use as my main keyboard along with my 5 year old Ketron.
I had a OS problem and i phoned Roland in Ireland. A tech support guy took my details and i had an email from Roland in Italy with an hour. He sent me the updated OS with the bug fixed.
Roland also listened to its customers. Some of its G70 customers had a problem with the keyboard. They also wanted to be able to save any effects they had used in a SMF to a floppy disk. It wasn't a bug. Roland promptly went and created the new G70 version 2 with all these customer requests and also included a new Guitar Mode. A real strumming guitar you can play from the keyboard.
I rest my case.
So my friend, your argument about not looking after a keyboard is nonsense.
ok, I understand there are some faulty units. happens with all the manufacturers. I myself had another Pa50 years ago and had all kind of trouble with it, freezing and restart and so on. I agree also that sometimes the OS can produce some of these, as it's not yet finished or bug-free.
If you're strictly reffering to that, yes, I agree.
But too many times I see people playing their keyboard as they were stone-made. Especially when talking about cheep ~1000 USD plastic instruments, it's really not the case to go wild with them. They were simply not meant for that type of use. And after that, people complaint about broken keys or buttons, cracked cases and broken screen. What gives?
By my nature, I tried to use every piece of electronics I own along the years gently and apropriate. I won't hit nails with them. Don't abuse them, they will - most of them - serve you good for some years. I stick to this principle and so far I've been happy enough with my equipment.
Roland does produce better build quality instruments, especially in the lower price area. The E60 I've owned was better build than Pa50, and I do appreciate this. But Roland it's not so good with updates as you might think. And about listening, they might listen, but surely they don't interact with their customers as Korg does, right on this forum. If they were, I most likely would have kept my E60, but no.
So, I wish you get only good hardware, only run by good software, and never experience problems again. If that does not happen, help it if you can or move on to something else.
If you're strictly reffering to that, yes, I agree.
But too many times I see people playing their keyboard as they were stone-made. Especially when talking about cheep ~1000 USD plastic instruments, it's really not the case to go wild with them. They were simply not meant for that type of use. And after that, people complaint about broken keys or buttons, cracked cases and broken screen. What gives?
By my nature, I tried to use every piece of electronics I own along the years gently and apropriate. I won't hit nails with them. Don't abuse them, they will - most of them - serve you good for some years. I stick to this principle and so far I've been happy enough with my equipment.
Roland does produce better build quality instruments, especially in the lower price area. The E60 I've owned was better build than Pa50, and I do appreciate this. But Roland it's not so good with updates as you might think. And about listening, they might listen, but surely they don't interact with their customers as Korg does, right on this forum. If they were, I most likely would have kept my E60, but no.
So, I wish you get only good hardware, only run by good software, and never experience problems again. If that does not happen, help it if you can or move on to something else.
"Many people take the bad management for destiny!" - Kin Hubbard
The only things I can dip in to this topic is whether Korg listens to customer requests. Requests from a few maybe ignored but from a lot of users cannot be ignored.
Let's take one example: PA-60 is same as the PA-50 except PA-60 can accommodate a hard disk. How come Korg does not make an add-on kit for PA-50 users who want to add hard disk. We are willing to pay for it but no news from Korg.
PA-500 is pretty much the same as PA-50 with the USB thumb drive support. (cost is 1.5X approx.). The USB drive simply act as a high speed floppy with huge capacity. It's a huge improvement over the floppy but you still cannot load a style from it and play. It must be copied to the User Styles area first !!! That's dumb. Even the old Yamaha PSR-1500 (older than PA-50) has thumb drive where you can load and save anything like you do with internal flash memory.
About Korg quality, my PA-50 still look like new after more than 2 years of moderate playing. Nothing broke yet. I treat it with moderate care.
Let's take one example: PA-60 is same as the PA-50 except PA-60 can accommodate a hard disk. How come Korg does not make an add-on kit for PA-50 users who want to add hard disk. We are willing to pay for it but no news from Korg.
PA-500 is pretty much the same as PA-50 with the USB thumb drive support. (cost is 1.5X approx.). The USB drive simply act as a high speed floppy with huge capacity. It's a huge improvement over the floppy but you still cannot load a style from it and play. It must be copied to the User Styles area first !!! That's dumb. Even the old Yamaha PSR-1500 (older than PA-50) has thumb drive where you can load and save anything like you do with internal flash memory.
About Korg quality, my PA-50 still look like new after more than 2 years of moderate playing. Nothing broke yet. I treat it with moderate care.
