Kaoss pad used as controller in LIVE *8

sdolan · Post by **sdolan** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:19 pm

Hi,

I have a kaoss pad 2 plugged in LIve 8. I want to use the program/bpm (infinite rotary knob) to control the tempo in LIve. I can see that midi is coming in Live via the midi square (top right of the live window). I assigned it on the tempo with midi affectation but it doesn't work...

I need to use that infinite knob to change the tempo!

Please Help
Simon

salamanderanagram · Post by **salamanderanagram** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:13 pm

hi, i'm not sure if live responds to program change messages, which is what that knob sends. you may need to patch something together to take the program messages and translate them to CC or something.

sdolan · Post by **sdolan** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:25 pm

Hi,

In fact Live receive this button as pitch bend... I Don't know how to change this message to cc.

Help!
Simon

salamanderanagram · Post by **salamanderanagram** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:16 pm

hey, don't know how to help you, but i would suggest trying the ableton forums and asking how to midi map the bpm controls in a broader sense. i don't think your problem is with the kp3, so you'd probably have better luck finding help there.

thoffir · Post by **thoffir** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:37 pm

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... wrapheader

sdolan · Post by **sdolan** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:22 pm

Hi Thoffir. You sent me on a very good trail. I installed all the pizmidi VST instruments. I tried to program it but It's very hard to understand. I use midi converter3. Live receive my Kaoss program/bpm knob (infinite rotary) as pitch bend.

So on the input type, I tried pitch bend and pitch bend (LSB) and on the output CC but nothing move in Live tempo....

Any tip on how to program the pizmidi? I read all .DOC and It's kinda chinese for me...

I assume that I have to change the pitchbend input to output something...
But I think that I'm on the good trail.

Simon

thoffir · Post by **thoffir** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:12 pm

have you recreated midi routing shown on picture?

zero4 (kp2 in your case) -> track 1 -> midi converter
midi converter -> track 2 -> iac driver (midi yoke on pc)
both set to "in"
midi converter parameters has to be configured also similiar to that what is shown on picture

the idea is to get zero4 (kp2) "program change" convert it into "cc" in midiconverter3 and route it onto external bus (mac: iac, pc: midi yoke) and route back to live as remote.

then you have to disable "remote" on kp2 in live midi prefs as you don't want no longer to receive its program change which live interpretin as pitchbend (don't know why).

in midi prefs also put on iac driver (midi yoke on pc) "remote on" on its input and "track on" on its output.

if the routing is setup properly when you go into midi map mode and turn your dial on kp2 it should be converted into cc and mapped to choosen control in live.

thoffir · Post by **thoffir** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:16 pm

just one idea. i don't know if kp2 has such option, but kp3 can send or receive its midi clock via usb (or midi ports). please check your manual.

then you don't have to use any hacks like described. any tempo change ("tempo change" not "program change") on kp3 (if it is set as master) will be reflected on ableton live (via usb) or any sequencer/drummachine connected to midi out.

and that's the right way of doing such sync

jmdodge · Post by **jmdodge** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:45 pm

Not sure again how it applies on the KP2, but either via the editor software or through the "Messages" menu, you can adjust each of the control change associations for each button on the machine.

Pitch bend is normally with a certain CC number, and apparently thats what the tempo knob sends by default. I would start, if possible, by changing that control number.

Secondly, and regardless of whether or not you are able to change the control number, you need to map the tempo control to ableton using the midi map mode.

1. Simply click the "midi" button on the upper right of the live 8 interface to enter midi map mode
2. Click on the tempo control area in live 8 as if you were going to change the tempo inside the software
3. Move your tempo knob on the Kaoss pad so it knows to associate that control with tempo change
4. Exit midi mode.

This same procedure can be used to map any control from any interface to any live function.

Have fun.

salamanderanagram · Post by **salamanderanagram** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:40 pm

@jmdodge, pretty sure that knob sends program change, not CC messages, and also pretty sure it's locked into using that and cannot be changed. many but not all of the other controls can be re-routed though.

sdolan · Post by **sdolan** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:16 pm

The program/bpm knob send pitch bend message as LIVE 8 tell me. I tried many thing with midiconverter3 and nothing work. I spend hours to program midi converter with no result...

Koass pad 2 don't send midi clock as well...
S

jmdodge · Post by **jmdodge** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:30 pm

It doesn't matter if the tempo knob sends as pitch bend, you should still be able to map it to anything you want in ableton.

sdolan · Post by **sdolan** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:36 am

I know it should be easy to map, I do it with others devices (oxygen 8...) but with that specific knob, It as no effect.
The FX depth knob on the kaoss work on any parameter but it's not a infinite knob...

It's really frustrating to see the midi signal coming in my fireface 400 and Ableton Live and nothing working...

S

jmdodge · Post by **jmdodge** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:39 am

Did you try changing the mapping of the tempo knob's control change from within the Kaoss Pad in the manner I described above?

I'm not familiar with the KP2, but I have done it in the KP3.

salamanderanagram · Post by **salamanderanagram** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:06 am

as mentioned above.

kp3 editor does NOT allow you to change the BPM knob. at least, mine doesn't. i never bothered to update to V2.0 though so i could be wrong

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