Hi everyone,
I used a lot my old KP1 as a pitchbender controler to my Triton and Juno106.
But since I have KP2 from more then 20 months I never connected it via MIDI to use it as a midi controler.
Well, ysterday I did it and when I set the knob number 4 for pichbender inside of MIDI menu I started to feel that KP2 behaves diferently at this filed. When I am pitching upper or lower some sound of my Triton and if I am raising my finger off of the touch pad the pitched sound do not returns to its original tune, but stays there where I lifted my finger. It was not the same with my old KP- it worked exactly as the joystick of the Triton and I am starting to regret that I sold my old Kaoss Pad.
Anyone to help me if I am missing some settings or that is the KP2 or maybe the whole next generation omission?
Thank you!
Donny
Kaoss Pad 2 as Pich bender-problem!
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Kaoss Pad 2 as Pich bender-problem!
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Well, KP2 can't make it as good as KP1!!!
Korg is making a strange withdraw as a company who created Z1. I am not a DJ, but keyboard performer and I need Kaoss Pad for this, even I produced house music for 7-8 years. Now I am mostly a live band player and I need more tools for this.
Why I become angry at Korg today?
Here is an article at SOS where they are making a detailed explanation of my problem:
Q How can I set up my Korg Kaoss Pad to act as a pitch-bender?
Can you please tell me how to set up the Korg Kaoss Pad KP2 as an ordinary pitch-bender?
SOS Forum Post
Reviews Editor Mike Senior replies: Hold down the Tap/BPM and Rec/Stop buttons at the same time, and after a second or so you'll enter the MIDI editing mode — various buttons will light up and the MIDI channel will be shown in the display. You can at this point change the MIDI channel as necessary using the Program/BPM dial. If you're only wanting to transmit MIDI pitch-bend messages from the Y axis of the pad, then make sure that only the Program Memory 5 button is lit. If you want something transmitted from the X axis as well, then the Program Memory 4 button should also be lit. Pressing any button briefly will toggle its lit/unlit status.
Now to get Y axis movements sending MIDI Pitch-bend messages. Still in MIDI Edit mode, hold down Program Memory 5 until the currently assigned Y-axis controller (by default MIDI Continuous Controller number 13) is displayed in place of the MIDI channel number. Use the Program/BPM dial to bring up 'Pb' on the display. If you're also wanting to set the X axis, press and hold Program Memory 4 until its controller number (by default MIDI Continuous Controller number 12) is shown, and adjust as necessary. Finally, to exit MIDI Edit mode, hold Rec/Stop until you're back in the normal operating state.
qa Korg KP2.s
As well as its built-in effects, the Korg KP2 can be programmed to serve as a MIDI pitch-bender.
As well as its built-in effects, the Korg KP2 can be programmed to serve as a MIDI pitch-bender.
A quick bit of general advice too — the unit will automatically leave MIDI Edit mode if you leave it alone for more than 10 seconds, so don't hang around too long when making settings, or you'll be dumped back into the normal operational mode. I find that it's worth toggling a random one of the Program Memory keys on and off occasionally, as the activity keeps the unit in MIDI Edit mode and gives me time to think and consult the manual!
There is another thing to think about when setting the KP2 to transmit pitch-bend information: a normal pitch-bend wheel is sprung so that it resets the pitch whenever you let go of it. Unfortunately, the Hold button doesn't affect MIDI transmission in the same way as it does the response of the internal effects, so the degree of pitch-bend will always stay where it is when you remove your finger from the pad. (Apparently the KP1 doesn't suffer from this problem.) This isn't necessarily a problem, however, because you can effectively do a rough-and-ready pitch-bend 'spring-back' manually, especially if you're able to use both hands: one to pitch-bend and the other to tap the centre of the pad, resetting pitch-bend to zero. If you only have one hand free, you could keep one finger in the centre of the pad while pitch-bending with other fingers. However, the finger that you leave in the centre of the pad will decrease the range over which the rest of the pad operates, so you won't get the same maximum bend range.
If you really need to be able to zero the pitch-bend exactly without sacrificing pitch-bend range, I'd suggest putting a controller button in-line to do this (I'd use one of the ones on my Peavey PC1600X for this) and setting it to generate a 'centred' pitch-bend message. But, to be honest, if you're using the KP2 for subtle pitch changes, it should be adequately accurate to zero the pitch-bend manually. If you're doing mad sweeps the whole time, then it may not even matter if you're not able to zero it perfectly.
However, if you simply have to have mad pitch sweeps along with perfect pitch-bend zeroing, then consider restricting yourself to pitch-bends in only one direction, with the zero point at the top or bottom edge of the pad, so that you can accurately reset the controller manually (finding the middle of the pad accurately is tricky, but finding the edge is easy). To do this for upwards-only bending, set your synth to play an octave higher than you want it (assuming that the bend range will be an octave). This will give you two octaves' shift above whatever note you're playing, with the low edge of the pad representing the former zero-bend position. Reverse the idea for downwards-only shift. If you really want to shift both ways, then you could assign a normal MIDI Continuous Controller (CC) message to the other axis and then use that to control the other pitch-bend direction, assuming that the synth you're triggering allows ordinary controllers also to modulate the pitch — my Korg Prophecy does. You won't get the same controller resolution out of a MIDI CC, so large shifts may sound stepped, but this will at least give you both directions of bend from the pad, and with exact pitch-bend reset.
Having said all of this, there is one other workaround to this problem, which provides all the functionality of a 'sprung' pitch-bend wheel, but it requires that you use a synth with fairly flexible modulation routing. Two of the KP2's transmission types do actually exhibit a 'sprung' action: Modulation Depth One (Y=5-1) and Modulation Depth Two (Y=5-9), activated in MIDI edit mode by Program Memory buttons one and two respectively. Both of these will automatically send their minimum values when you let go of the pad, as if you had moved your finger to the centre of the pad. If you switch both of these types of transmission on in the MIDI edit mode, then the top half of the Y axis will transmit MIDI Continuous Controller number one, and the bottom half will transmit MIDI Continuous Controller number two. The problem is that you can't change the controller assignments for this transmission type, so you'll need to assign the two controllers to upwards and downwards pitch modulation respectively to make it all work. The same caveat concerning controller resolution applies as before, but you do get a true pitch-bend wheel-style action. If your synth won't allow this modulation routing, you may be able to use your sequencer or MIDI controller to convert the MIDI CC messages to MIDI Pitch-bend or Aftertouch messages to achieve the same result.
Korg is making a strange withdraw as a company who created Z1. I am not a DJ, but keyboard performer and I need Kaoss Pad for this, even I produced house music for 7-8 years. Now I am mostly a live band player and I need more tools for this.
Why I become angry at Korg today?
Here is an article at SOS where they are making a detailed explanation of my problem:
Q How can I set up my Korg Kaoss Pad to act as a pitch-bender?
Can you please tell me how to set up the Korg Kaoss Pad KP2 as an ordinary pitch-bender?
SOS Forum Post
Reviews Editor Mike Senior replies: Hold down the Tap/BPM and Rec/Stop buttons at the same time, and after a second or so you'll enter the MIDI editing mode — various buttons will light up and the MIDI channel will be shown in the display. You can at this point change the MIDI channel as necessary using the Program/BPM dial. If you're only wanting to transmit MIDI pitch-bend messages from the Y axis of the pad, then make sure that only the Program Memory 5 button is lit. If you want something transmitted from the X axis as well, then the Program Memory 4 button should also be lit. Pressing any button briefly will toggle its lit/unlit status.
Now to get Y axis movements sending MIDI Pitch-bend messages. Still in MIDI Edit mode, hold down Program Memory 5 until the currently assigned Y-axis controller (by default MIDI Continuous Controller number 13) is displayed in place of the MIDI channel number. Use the Program/BPM dial to bring up 'Pb' on the display. If you're also wanting to set the X axis, press and hold Program Memory 4 until its controller number (by default MIDI Continuous Controller number 12) is shown, and adjust as necessary. Finally, to exit MIDI Edit mode, hold Rec/Stop until you're back in the normal operating state.
qa Korg KP2.s
As well as its built-in effects, the Korg KP2 can be programmed to serve as a MIDI pitch-bender.
As well as its built-in effects, the Korg KP2 can be programmed to serve as a MIDI pitch-bender.
A quick bit of general advice too — the unit will automatically leave MIDI Edit mode if you leave it alone for more than 10 seconds, so don't hang around too long when making settings, or you'll be dumped back into the normal operational mode. I find that it's worth toggling a random one of the Program Memory keys on and off occasionally, as the activity keeps the unit in MIDI Edit mode and gives me time to think and consult the manual!
There is another thing to think about when setting the KP2 to transmit pitch-bend information: a normal pitch-bend wheel is sprung so that it resets the pitch whenever you let go of it. Unfortunately, the Hold button doesn't affect MIDI transmission in the same way as it does the response of the internal effects, so the degree of pitch-bend will always stay where it is when you remove your finger from the pad. (Apparently the KP1 doesn't suffer from this problem.) This isn't necessarily a problem, however, because you can effectively do a rough-and-ready pitch-bend 'spring-back' manually, especially if you're able to use both hands: one to pitch-bend and the other to tap the centre of the pad, resetting pitch-bend to zero. If you only have one hand free, you could keep one finger in the centre of the pad while pitch-bending with other fingers. However, the finger that you leave in the centre of the pad will decrease the range over which the rest of the pad operates, so you won't get the same maximum bend range.
If you really need to be able to zero the pitch-bend exactly without sacrificing pitch-bend range, I'd suggest putting a controller button in-line to do this (I'd use one of the ones on my Peavey PC1600X for this) and setting it to generate a 'centred' pitch-bend message. But, to be honest, if you're using the KP2 for subtle pitch changes, it should be adequately accurate to zero the pitch-bend manually. If you're doing mad sweeps the whole time, then it may not even matter if you're not able to zero it perfectly.
However, if you simply have to have mad pitch sweeps along with perfect pitch-bend zeroing, then consider restricting yourself to pitch-bends in only one direction, with the zero point at the top or bottom edge of the pad, so that you can accurately reset the controller manually (finding the middle of the pad accurately is tricky, but finding the edge is easy). To do this for upwards-only bending, set your synth to play an octave higher than you want it (assuming that the bend range will be an octave). This will give you two octaves' shift above whatever note you're playing, with the low edge of the pad representing the former zero-bend position. Reverse the idea for downwards-only shift. If you really want to shift both ways, then you could assign a normal MIDI Continuous Controller (CC) message to the other axis and then use that to control the other pitch-bend direction, assuming that the synth you're triggering allows ordinary controllers also to modulate the pitch — my Korg Prophecy does. You won't get the same controller resolution out of a MIDI CC, so large shifts may sound stepped, but this will at least give you both directions of bend from the pad, and with exact pitch-bend reset.
Having said all of this, there is one other workaround to this problem, which provides all the functionality of a 'sprung' pitch-bend wheel, but it requires that you use a synth with fairly flexible modulation routing. Two of the KP2's transmission types do actually exhibit a 'sprung' action: Modulation Depth One (Y=5-1) and Modulation Depth Two (Y=5-9), activated in MIDI edit mode by Program Memory buttons one and two respectively. Both of these will automatically send their minimum values when you let go of the pad, as if you had moved your finger to the centre of the pad. If you switch both of these types of transmission on in the MIDI edit mode, then the top half of the Y axis will transmit MIDI Continuous Controller number one, and the bottom half will transmit MIDI Continuous Controller number two. The problem is that you can't change the controller assignments for this transmission type, so you'll need to assign the two controllers to upwards and downwards pitch modulation respectively to make it all work. The same caveat concerning controller resolution applies as before, but you do get a true pitch-bend wheel-style action. If your synth won't allow this modulation routing, you may be able to use your sequencer or MIDI controller to convert the MIDI CC messages to MIDI Pitch-bend or Aftertouch messages to achieve the same result.
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I tried this with kp3 in reason. kp3 doesn't center the bender just as kp2.
I assigned pad touch function to pitch bender range: when finger hits pad, bender range becomes 24 and when leaves range becomes 0 so it doesn't do anything. This could solve your problem, if you don't need some specific bender range.
Cheers
- sipa
I assigned pad touch function to pitch bender range: when finger hits pad, bender range becomes 24 and when leaves range becomes 0 so it doesn't do anything. This could solve your problem, if you don't need some specific bender range.
Cheers
- sipa
If you can change CC (on) value of the touch function then you can specify the bender range universally, ie. 0 = 0 and 127 = 24, therefore if 4 is wanted on value should be 21.
Don't know how the midi edit mode works in kp2, so this could be of no help, since at least in KP3 it cannot be specified.
KP3 has stupid feature, that in EXT.CTRL mode touch pad cannot be used as X-Y pad, instead there is 7 different patterns in which the pad functions as 1, 7 or 8 different cc sliders, but in EXT the on/off values can be changed.
So please KORG make 2.01 firmware with 8th pattern with 2 CC sliders, like in the global mode, but with adjustable values.
Cheers
- sipa
Don't know how the midi edit mode works in kp2, so this could be of no help, since at least in KP3 it cannot be specified.
KP3 has stupid feature, that in EXT.CTRL mode touch pad cannot be used as X-Y pad, instead there is 7 different patterns in which the pad functions as 1, 7 or 8 different cc sliders, but in EXT the on/off values can be changed.
So please KORG make 2.01 firmware with 8th pattern with 2 CC sliders, like in the global mode, but with adjustable values.
Cheers
- sipa
It's the same in KP2. They didn't make any further changes in KP3 I see.
Normally I use +/-2 smithones in Pitch bender value when I am soloing.For pads it can work till 24. But the nice immeadiate effect simillar to great prog rock solo or...haha playing on pipe is achieving with leads with bending no more then quint or say 5th.
Hope Korg will make and upgrade in firmware...who knows. There still some keyboard players left in the world not only DJs.
.. hahaha...I still have more succes at Djs filed with my own music, but what to do- that's life!
Don
Normally I use +/-2 smithones in Pitch bender value when I am soloing.For pads it can work till 24. But the nice immeadiate effect simillar to great prog rock solo or...haha playing on pipe is achieving with leads with bending no more then quint or say 5th.
Hope Korg will make and upgrade in firmware...who knows. There still some keyboard players left in the world not only DJs.
.. hahaha...I still have more succes at Djs filed with my own music, but what to do- that's life!
Don
Music makes me feel truly alive!