* Insert effects from my DAW *

BrysonPrice · Post by **BrysonPrice** » Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:00 pm

When I apply an insert FX from my DAW onto the Korg TR rack, it almost doesn't change the sound at all. When I do the same thing with my JV 1010, it changes the sound. Does anyone know what is going on?

thanks!

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:08 pm

Sounds very vague, could be anything.

Swap the output jacks from the JV1010 to the Trinity. If you can hear the insert fx on the Trinity now, then it's something to do with your routings/settings in your DAW.

BrysonPrice · Post by **BrysonPrice** » Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:51 pm

Timo wrote:Sounds very vague, could be anything.

Swap the output jacks from the JV1010 to the Trinity. If you can hear the insert fx on the Trinity now, then it's something to do with your routings/settings in your DAW.

thanks for the response : )

Thats what I did...I only have 1 pair of audio cables so I have to switch back and forth between sound modules (using the same audio cables).

I think its very strange that insert FX affect the JV1010 more than the TR rack

Do you think there is a setting on the TR RACK that makes it this way?

thanks!

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:39 pm

Could be differences in levels. I know the line-outs from my MC505 (by Roland, same as JV1010) are not very hot at all, they need quite a bit of boosting to get them up to proper line-out levels like my other synths. Which may in some way affect the wetness if there is some sort of threshold on the insert effects.

I'm still a bit puzzled what you're asking as I don't know your setup.

When are you applying the insert effects? On recorded audio (wav files), or on live audio?

Also what insert effects are you applying?

BrysonPrice · Post by **BrysonPrice** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:56 am

Timo wrote: I'm still a bit puzzled what you're asking as I don't know your setup.

When are you applying the insert effects? On recorded audio (wav files), or on live audio?

Also what insert effects are you applying?

sorry for the confusion. I'm applying effects to the sound in Real time (not a bounced audio file). I want to be able to do this so that when I'm looking for sounds, I can change them to make them original.

I apply all types of effects (flanger, saturation, EQ, comp, etc).

Does this make sense now?

thanks!

BrysonPrice · Post by **BrysonPrice** » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:44 pm

anyone ?

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:08 pm

May also depend on the panning used in each synth. If the Trinity has a stereo sound panned hard left and hard right from jack output 1 and 2 respectively, it would sound different compared with if both jack outputs 1 and 2 were not panned hard left or right and therefore are playing the same sound twice (mono, but doubled), which may be happening with the JV1010. You'd need to check your panning inside the individual sound patches and/or global parameters..

BrysonPrice · Post by **BrysonPrice** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 8:07 pm

Timo wrote:May also depend on the panning used in each synth. If the Trinity has a stereo sound panned hard left and hard right from jack output 1 and 2 respectively, it would sound different compared with if both jack outputs 1 and 2 were not panned hard left or right and therefore are playing the same sound twice (mono, but doubled), which may be happening with the JV1010. You'd need to check your panning inside the individual sound patches and/or global parameters..

But if I put a lo-pass filter on the whole synth at 50 hz, you shouldn't be able to hear much of the sound regardless of how it is panned...correct?

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 8:28 pm

Why would you want to strap a low-pass filter with a 50Hz cutoff over any of your jack outputs?

BrysonPrice · Post by **BrysonPrice** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:45 pm

Timo wrote:Why would you want to strap a low-pass filter with a 50Hz cutoff over any of your jack outputs?

I knew you were going to ask that

I did it to test if the effect was working. It's easier to tell how a 50 hz low pass filter is affecting the instrument than something like a flanger effect.

The 50 hz low pass isn't really 'low passing' the instrument on the rack. You can hear a very slight change, but theres not much of a difference. I can post a small audio clip if you would like to hear?

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:04 pm

Are you sure this isn't a mixing or monitoring issue? sounds like you might be summing the original signal back with the effected one. Possibly using send effects instead of inserts? or recording from an interface or mixer where direct or analog monitoring is happening.

putting a low pass filter over the whole thing should have a pretty obvious effect.

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:35 pm

BrysonPrice wrote:The 50 hz low pass isn't really 'low passing' the instrument on the rack. You can hear a very slight change, but theres not much of a difference. I can post a small audio clip if you would like to hear?

Ah, I've got you now.

Yes, a low-pass of 50Hz should wipe out almost the entire signal. If it doesn't, then X-Trade is bang on the money, it's some sort of routing issue and/or affecting one channel and not the other.

Or it could be that you've recorded the audio down as wavs and are effecting these, but are still triggering the Trinity via MIDI at the same time which you hear being summed dry along with your wavs.

However, if you've already recorded the audio from the JV1010 and Trinity as wav files into your sequencer like you mentioned, it shouldn't be a synth issue, but a sequencer issue instead.

BrysonPrice · Post by **BrysonPrice** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:07 pm

X Trad and Timo,

first off, thanks for trying to help me solve this problem

I use ableton and in Ableton, they have this device called an 'external instrument'. It is basically a Midi and audio track integrated into 1 track.

I use this with the TR rack and the JV1010. I enter Midi into the program. Then when I put a low pass 50 hz filter on the Jv 1010, it responds to the filter, but when I put the filter on the TR rack, it barely changes. I am not using .WAVs at this point...only midi. I don't want to bounce it to .wav yet because I am not sure if this is the sound I want to use.

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:41 pm

BrysonPrice wrote:X Trad and Timo,

first off, thanks for trying to help me solve this problem

I use ableton and in Ableton, they have this device called an 'external instrument'. It is basically a Midi and audio track integrated into 1 track.

I use this with the TR rack and the JV1010. I enter Midi into the program. Then when I put a low pass 50 hz filter on the Jv 1010, it responds to the filter, but when I put the filter on the TR rack, it barely changes. I am not using .WAVs at this point...only midi. I don't want to bounce it to .wav yet because I am not sure if this is the sound I want to use.

you must be doing something differently between the two, because that literally doesn't make any sense. a completely wet low pass filter effect will have the same effect on any audio signal.

I suggest you start in a new project with only one audio track, connect one, try the effect, and then connect the other and try the effect again...