bluemind - sending midi note out is great but again this function is crippled unless you are in external control mode (at which point you lose the loopers, unless there is a departure from the way the kp3 worked, something i doubt very much). if you want to have note control with loopers you need a midi patch, something i can (and have) already done with the kp3. on the kp3 you can simutaneously add effects too it's rather great.
i don't need a full on synth, but on the other hand buying a few uneditable patches is a bit ridiculous. there must be a synth engine in there, we just can't get at it.
i liked the original kaossilator A LOT when it first came out, played with it all the time. around 3 months later i sold it, there weren't enough patches and i was using the kp3 to trigger other synths by that time anyway.
so, fun to pick up and jam with? i agree entirely. but a must have for my studio? i think not. i'm disappointed, because i love the whole kaoss line, but i just don't see a place for it.
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@salamanderanagram: Yes, you are totally right. Quess it all depends on the user and the specific needs. There are certainly annoying limitations in some cases (with the external control mode and looping for example), but for me the benefits are still greater.
I personally see many scenarios where I'll be using this device, probably mostly for playing away from the computer, because it seems I can't get anything done because there is too much stuff to tweak in a daw environment
Developing ideas with the KOPro and then transferring that idea to the computer, I'm certainly going to try that way of working.
All in all, this is not a very essential piece of gear by any means, so everyone has to justify the purchase to themselves. It would have been nice if Korg had been open about the design phase and taking direct suggestions, maybe this thing could have been in a whole new level of usability. But it's sadly the way that these things are developed, behind closed doors.
I personally see many scenarios where I'll be using this device, probably mostly for playing away from the computer, because it seems I can't get anything done because there is too much stuff to tweak in a daw environment
Developing ideas with the KOPro and then transferring that idea to the computer, I'm certainly going to try that way of working.All in all, this is not a very essential piece of gear by any means, so everyone has to justify the purchase to themselves. It would have been nice if Korg had been open about the design phase and taking direct suggestions, maybe this thing could have been in a whole new level of usability. But it's sadly the way that these things are developed, behind closed doors.
The small size, light weight, and AA battery operation I think were important factors to the success of the Original King of Kaossilation. The DSi hardware with the DS-10 software shares the size, weight, and battery operation. The iPod touch with various software shares these traits too. An iPod based Kaossilator synth-sequencer like the DS-10/EMX/ESX would be a great product. The Akai ipk25+SynthStation for $149 looks like a great new product. It has 3 different 3OSC synths with 8 poly, sequencing, XY pad, export to WAV file, and sample pads.
Well, Sonic State's textual and video reviews of the Kaossilator Pro are up and unsurprisingly the same points that have been discussed here are brought up, namely the inability to play the Kaoss Pro from a midi keyboard directly, or the odd Midi Sync issues. Nevertheless I feel it's a very solid review for a very solid instrument! Now all I need is a street date...
The reviewer even shows how he patched his keyboard through Logic Pro to convert midi notes to CC.
The way I see it, most of the problems outlined could be fixed by firmware updates anyway.
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2010/02/ ... ro-review/
The reviewer even shows how he patched his keyboard through Logic Pro to convert midi notes to CC.
The way I see it, most of the problems outlined could be fixed by firmware updates anyway.
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2010/02/ ... ro-review/
It was a good review. In taking a step back and examining the set up and what this thing is really for, I don't necessarily believe that external midi note control is really needed...it would be nice to have, surly, but not a big have to. The other feature is KOpro sending midi note data while in global, also not a big need as well. However it goes back to what I have said before that anything that this kit has been set to send/receive midi should be standardized to be switchable from midi note to midi CC as well as the midi out being switchable to midi thru. Easy enough and can be corrected by firmware. While it is true that it would take a lot of coding to make this type of firmware update possible; it just goes to show that Korg should have done this from day one! Hopefully one day Korg will get it and their future products will send/receive midi on everything in global and external control.
So enough on that.
Now the next midi issue that was discussed had to do with the midi clock syncing from the reviewers Logic pro computer to the KOpro (or vice verse), and that's where it sort of hit me: The KOpro was really designed to be used pretty much by itself with maybe the inclusion of the KP3 and that's it!
Now if you are using it in external mode and plan on hooking it up to your computer then really you have everything you could need in the computer like Ablton Live. Your software at this point is all inclusive and has your looping abilities and your sounds. I know, someone is going to scream and go; "but wait, I want to incorporate the korg sounds"...ok really now??? I've got Reactor, a ton of synth sounds and beats beyond belief in my studio. In a studio set up all i will be using my KOpro for is as an alternative synth controller with transport and fader controls.
For live use and really what makes me want this thing so much is that what I was planning bringing for a live set, I will not need anymore. Between this, the KP3 and my Korg Pandora 5 along with my guitar, I will have everything I need to perform live and no drummer required.
For the most part I think based on the review i have to say that the KOpro is pretty complete, has everything you could need to perform live or use in the studio. The KOpro is not flexible enough to blend both practices together but at least you get 2 useful tools in 1.
Not if only we caould have a little firmware update that made the A-D pads in global midi CC (as well as midi note) instead of just midi note only.
So enough on that.
Now the next midi issue that was discussed had to do with the midi clock syncing from the reviewers Logic pro computer to the KOpro (or vice verse), and that's where it sort of hit me: The KOpro was really designed to be used pretty much by itself with maybe the inclusion of the KP3 and that's it!
Now if you are using it in external mode and plan on hooking it up to your computer then really you have everything you could need in the computer like Ablton Live. Your software at this point is all inclusive and has your looping abilities and your sounds. I know, someone is going to scream and go; "but wait, I want to incorporate the korg sounds"...ok really now??? I've got Reactor, a ton of synth sounds and beats beyond belief in my studio. In a studio set up all i will be using my KOpro for is as an alternative synth controller with transport and fader controls.
For live use and really what makes me want this thing so much is that what I was planning bringing for a live set, I will not need anymore. Between this, the KP3 and my Korg Pandora 5 along with my guitar, I will have everything I need to perform live and no drummer required.
For the most part I think based on the review i have to say that the KOpro is pretty complete, has everything you could need to perform live or use in the studio. The KOpro is not flexible enough to blend both practices together but at least you get 2 useful tools in 1.
Not if only we caould have a little firmware update that made the A-D pads in global midi CC (as well as midi note) instead of just midi note only.
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Disagree 100% I think the Kpro should be boycotted until these features are added. That's the only way Korg will get it done. As long as suckers buy it anyways, nothing will be changed.SMK wrote: In taking a step back and examining the set up and what this thing is really for, I don't necessarily believe that external midi note control is really needed...it would be nice to have, surly, but not a big have to. The other feature is KOpro sending midi note data while in global, also not a big need as well. .
2nd thatbluemind wrote:It probably wouldn't be very effective if like 5 "seriously pissed of" people from the forums boycott the device, when it'll probably sell enough anyway for Korg to make some money out of it.
Let's write mails or petitions or whatever and hope for Korg to want keep us as future customers. The kprois to good, sorry. I want a few changes, too. But I'm sure people (like me) will buy the kpro. Cause I don't realy need most of the missing parts. So will others. They just won't notice the people not buying ^^
Since the discussion was about the gate arp, the DS-10 is relevant because it has a Kaosspad function and gate arp that works in a way that's useful for comparison, if you followed the points.slug wrote:Im not sure why people are bringing the DS-10 into this discussion. Although it has an amazing feature set, it has very low quality audio and cant be taken seriously in this regard.
The DS-10 running on the DSi has much better audio quality, if the sounds are modified to take full advantage of the hardware. The DS-10 also has fully programmable synth programs, something completely lacking in all the Kaossilators.
If you rely entirely on what you hear on Youtube, I can see why you might have dismissed the DS-10 based on audio quality, but youtube is not reflective of the DS-10's true quality running on the DSi. DS-10 was written before the DSi hardware existed, and therefore the patches were designed based on the DS lite capabilities. When the DSi hardware improved the audio, the DS-10 patches won't automatically take advantage of it. You have to modify the patches to give them better bass, for example. DS-10/10plus preset programs also have to be built to sound OK when running on old hardware, because sending good bass to the old hardware will sound terrible.
But I'm guessing that you don't own the DS-10 running on the DSi, right?
