Midi stuck notes using Digital Performer with Oasys

beersoretus · Post by **beersoretus** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:45 pm

Hi, I am trying for the first time to record piano tracks using midi to Digital Performer. All set up seems to be fine, but every time the piano is played, extra random midi notes sound, and mostly, notes stick and do not stop until I stop them from DP. We think it must be something in the Oasys that is setting off the problem. Any ideas are very much appreciated. Thanks!

SCHWEATS · Post by **SCHWEATS** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:34 am

What kind of random notes ? Notes that you actually played , but
somehow show up as being doubled when you examine the part in the
graphic editing window , OR, something that is in another octave (up or down) away from what you played ?

Do you have the Oasys in Local Control = OFF (global mode) , when you arm the track in DP for record ? If not, toggle that to the off position.

When recording piano parts are you playing to even a rudimentary drum or percussion track that is recorded in DP ?

Depending on what kind of piano part you're playing, is the part meant to be
'in time' or a free flowing rubato part ?
If the part is meant to be played in time , I strongly suggest using in DP
'Input Quantize' ( Shift+control+ I … I think) and set the percentages to 80-85% or raise or lower these to taste. By adjusting the percentages, you still get any 'feel' you play.

HTH - Schweats

beersoretus · Post by **beersoretus** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:34 pm

Thanks for your reply. I have local control off. The problem isn't just with the piano, but all the patches. Detailing the piano, what happens is no matter if I'm playing slow or fast, notes that I don't play will sound randomly, and inevitably notes will stick on and soon the entire timbre of the sound will change, I assume because it's running out of notes. I haven't even tried to edit anything yet, for it is nearly impossible to play a part that actually sounds like what I'm playing. Something is either not communicating correctly with DP, or it could be something in DP throwing the Korg off. Very frustrating to be sure. Thanks again.

peter m. mahr · Post by **peter m. mahr** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:09 pm

beersoretus,

could you please be so kind and give me some more details as I do not exactly understand the problem.

I am using DP together with OASYS since the day O arrived in my studio.

blogasys

beersoretus · Post by **beersoretus** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:30 pm

Excellent! Here's what I've got. Oasys midi into a Motu Fastlane, in and out, coming into a Power Mac G5 thru a USB cable from the Fast Lane. I have DP 6 with two 896mk3's. I can go to any patch on the Oasys, play a few notes and they begin to stick on, and if they don't stick on right away, notes will drop out or random notes that I haven't played might sound. Usually any playing ends with me going to DP and switching off "all notes" to stop the Oasys from sounding. My sustain pedal is set to Korg - standard, and I have local control off. The keyboard plays fine when I'm not trying to Midi it. Do you think DP is the culprit or the Oasys. Thanks much for your reply!

peter m. mahr · Post by **peter m. mahr** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:24 pm

I have a similar Setup, just for the ADA conversion I am using an Apogee instead of the Motu Interfaces.

Did you use both MIDI In/Out Sets MIDI In A / MIDI Out A and then MIDI In B / MIDI Out B. And you checked the MIDI Thru Button on the Fastlane, right?

By the way, did you check the MIDI Settings in Apple's Audio-MIDI-Setup?

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beersoretus · Post by **beersoretus** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:38 pm

Yes, we've doubled checked in/out on the Fastlane to the Oasys, and we're good to go in Audio set up. Tell me though, does the Thru button need to be in or when the computer is on. All that said, do you have any other ideas as to the cause? Thanks.

peter m. mahr · Post by **peter m. mahr** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:15 pm

I would do the following.

- check the setting of the Audio-MIDI-Setup Application Software setting. OASYS should be there as and MOTU's Fastlane - they should be connected to each other via their Ins and Outs (there is also the "check connection button" - by pressing you hear a random chord)

- start DP and create a new project with just one MIDI track and one stereo Audio track.

- set MIDI track to OASYS Channel-1 and activate this track (red triangel)

- check OASYS GLOBAL MIDI Setup, deactivate "Local Control On"

- press a key on OASYS' keyboard

- Fastlane MIDI Interface LED should give a signal

- start Play/Record in DP

- play a simple sequence

- stop, listen and have a look in the EVENT Editor

- what do you see? the same notes you played or are there any other notes as well?

beersoretus · Post by **beersoretus** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:27 pm

I will give it a shot, just as you have prescribed. It will be tonight or tomorrow morning. I'll let you know, and thanks again, very much.

SCHWEATS · Post by **SCHWEATS** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:14 am

Random thoughts …
Check the version of your midi driver. If not the latest driver, go to MOTU
and download the most current one for your fastlane.

IF you can, borrow another midi interface to see if the fast lane is faulty
Does any other keyboard connected to the fast lane behave similarly ?
Unplug the 896's , to see if that makes any difference

Even though as you say you can't get to the point of editing anything , it
still might be beneficial to look inside an event edit window of a midi track just to see what is being recorded

HTH - Schweats

peter m. mahr · Post by **peter m. mahr** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:36 am

[quote="SCHWEATS"] it
still might be beneficial to look inside an event edit window of a midi track just to see what is being recorded[/quote]

exactly!

peter