Achieving a unison bend type sound live

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Achieving a unison bend type sound live

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Maybe this idea is totally full of s**t but it just popped into my head and maybe some more experienced TR users can set me in the right direction.

what i would like to achieve is to hold one note and bend the other with the joystick similarly to that of a unison bend on a guitar. One way i was thinking i could achieve this would be if there was a way to switch between monophonic and polyphonic mode with the sw1 and sw2 switches. This way i could shred through synth leads in monophonic like normal and then switch and bend in "the heat of the moment". Now i would be doing this in combi mode and would probably use 8 of the exact same timbres (Like saw lead) over 8 keyzones corresponding to where the bend would take place in a specific solo. EX: I would set a keyzone making sure the note i don't want to bend is on one side while the note i did want to bend would be in the next keyzone w/ all the appropriate settings in the param. tab set. Deep exhale.......
yes this is complex, where exactly is the settings for mono or polyphonic again. I think i'm crazy enough to pull this off but if i can't achieve this function through the sw1 or sw2 switches i may run into a problem.

Or if anyone has another method of acieving the amazing expression behind a unison bend please let me know.
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i was thinking about this stuff and, dude... if you want to play guitar style, take a guitar, then sound guitar stuff on it! XD btw your problem is only the SW1 and SW2?
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alright anyone who actually has some helpful advice instead of sarcastic remarks please feel free to comment. Those kind of posts do not make you or anybody for that matter look smart at all.
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StaleYolk wrote:alright anyone who actually has some helpful advice instead of sarcastic remarks please feel free to comment. Those kind of posts do not make you or anybody for that matter look smart at all.
Agreed.


Mono/Poly switching won't help you, since there's no way to bend only certain notes in a single program, so if you were to switch into poly mode, you'd be forced to bend both notes. Your idea of using multiple sounds in a combi seems to be a good starting point, though I'm not convinced this will be possible exactly the way you want it.

What I'd do is this: start with a mono program (the mono/poly settings are somewhere under the Osc tab in the program, if I recall correctly). In your combi, use various copies of this for soloing (disable the pitch bend for those timbres in the combi) and more copies for bent notes. Each bent note will use one copy, restricted by keyzone to exactly that note, and the rest of the keyboard will be segmented into versions of the program, with no overlap. So if you want to bend Bb5 up to C6 and G5 up to A5, your zones would look like this:

C-1 to F#5 (no bend)
G5 (bend)
G#5 to B5 (no bend)
Bb5 (bend)
C6-G9 (no bend)

Again, in all cases, disable the bend in the combi, not the program. Also, I'm assuming you'll always bend a constant interval in each direction, though the two can be different if you like (i.e. +2 up, -3 down). If you need different intervals for different notes, you can change that in combi mode as well, though in combi mode you can't set different up and down distances (you can just set +2, which will be both up and down).

This should work pretty well because if you ignore the bend and play across the keyboard, every note is mapped to a version of the same program. The one place you may lose some realism is in how LFOs and effects work; while you'll obviously want the same settings for each instance of your program, if the LFO restarts as you cross keyzones, the effect may be weird. And also, because you're using copies of the same program, you can, in theory, have poly behaviour by playing notes across keyzones at the same time, so it'll still be up to you to make sure you're soloing on one note at a time.

And of course, you're limited by the number of timbres you have. You can fit at most 3 bent notes and 4 non-bent portions into combi mode, or if you move to sequencer mode, 7 bent notes and 8 non-bent portions. Depending on how much bending you want to use, that may not be enough.


Basically, my opinion is that this can be done, with some significant tradeoffs, but you might be best off not using this technique in your solos and instead looking for other techniques that are better suited to or unique to keyboard solos.
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ok for the poli-mono thing on SW, then you need to set 2 layer... the first is active at normal touch, the second will activate only on aftertouch... while aftertouch is on, the first layer is not active... so you can set the bend only on the layer that starts with aftertouch... can this be a help?

EDIT: you need to set the volume ams on the aftertouch i was meaning :D
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That won't help, since he'll need the first layer to be active so that he's only bending one note, not both of them. If both notes are played on layer 2, both will bend.
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kanthos wrote:That won't help, since he'll need the first layer to be active so that he's only bending one note, not both of them. If both notes are played on layer 2, both will bend.
of course you had to set the normal layer not to bend, and the aftertouch layer to bend... remember it's a entry level workstation, not a guitar...
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Abierto wrote:
kanthos wrote:That won't help, since he'll need the first layer to be active so that he's only bending one note, not both of them. If both notes are played on layer 2, both will bend.
of course you had to set the normal layer not to bend, and the aftertouch layer to bend... remember it's a entry level workstation, not a guitar...
another solution could be:
Take 2 layers of the same sound.
One sound will bend, one sound don't.
when you need to play the unison bend, before pressing a note you take down the pitch, then press the note, then take the pitch on the normal position...
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thanks kanthos that was a very informative advice i can tell you have thought of this before. I'll nerd out over the next couple days and let you know of my results :) Thanks
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I haven't, actually; the only performances I've done with my TR consist as using it almost exclusively for pads, and using my Nord Stage for classic keys. I didn't even know what a unison bend was without looking it up. I just know the basics of the TR well and am not scared by this level of technical tomfoolry :)
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