Triton Extreme vs M3

kanthos · Post by **kanthos** » Tue May 18, 2010 4:48 pm

dimitris wrote:...as for the M50 don't you dare selling your Triton Extreme to buy it!!!
BIG MISTAKE!!!

uriahsmusic, hopefully you're smart enough to ignore anyone who gives a blanket 'A sucks and B doesn't' type of opinion without anything to back it up

Anyone who tells you that A is better than B for all purposes doesn't know what they're talking about. The two keyboards are *different* and which one works best for you is a matter of *your* personal preference.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Tue May 18, 2010 6:14 pm

You are right Kanthos in the A to B point but anyone who will exchange
an Extreme for an M50 i pity them and laugh at them, that would be
very funny, no matter what taste and needs is...Machines, Instruments,
People or anything are not Better or Worst just by AGE...but by Quality.
I challenge anyone to give a Viable reason that M50 would win over whichever
Triton, but a Reason not a 16 Programs Combi or a better Piano sound.

kanthos · Post by **kanthos** » Tue May 18, 2010 6:33 pm

If realistic acoustic instruments were my most important need, I'd take the M50 over the Triton. Yes, I'd do so knowing that I'd be sacrificing aftertouch, the ribbon controller, sampling, etc. but anyone buying a keyboard without weighting the quality of the particular sounds they're going to use more highly than any other feature is either going to be disappointed or really lucky. Also, a better piano sound is a good enough reason, in my opinion. If you play piano 90% of the time and occasionally add pads, then it doesn't matter all that much how good your pads are compared to your piano, and other sounds don't matter at all.

Of course, in that case, maybe a workstation isn't the best keyboard for you, compared to a stage piano. All I know is that whenever I think about new gear, I look for what completes the holes in my setup or what will be an improvement to an existing piece of gear that I could resell, not necessarily about which piece of gear is best in a vacuum.

Affordability matters too. If I have an Extreme and realize that my piano sounds are really important and that I have ones I'm not happy with, and upgrading to the M50 will help that but upgrading to a stage piano or M3 or competitor's product is out of my budget, then it may make sense to get the M50 even though the TEX has some technical advantages over it.

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Tue May 18, 2010 6:51 pm

kanthos wrote:If realistic acoustic instruments were my most important need, I'd take the M50 over the Triton. Yes, I'd do so knowing that I'd be sacrificing aftertouch, the ribbon controller, sampling, etc. but anyone buying a keyboard without weighting the quality of the particular sounds they're going to use more highly than any other feature is either going to be disappointed or really lucky. Also, a better piano sound is a good enough reason, in my opinion. If you play piano 90% of the time and occasionally add pads, then it doesn't matter all that much how good your pads are compared to your piano, and other sounds don't matter at all.

Of course, in that case, maybe a workstation isn't the best keyboard for you, compared to a stage piano. All I know is that whenever I think about new gear, I look for what completes the holes in my setup or what will be an improvement to an existing piece of gear that I could resell, not necessarily about which piece of gear is best in a vacuum.

Affordability matters too. If I have an Extreme and realize that my piano sounds are really important and that I have ones I'm not happy with, and upgrading to the M50 will help that but upgrading to a stage piano or M3 or competitor's product is out of my budget, then it may make sense to get the M50 even though the TEX has some technical advantages over it.

I wrote something similar but it got confusing so I gave up

I would like to add that yes the extreme has more features than the M50 and has one or two things that the M3 doesn't (but the M3 is a much better competitor), however if you don't use those features it doesn't matter. If you own an extreme but only use it for its sounds in program or combi mode and record audio tracks into a DAW, then an M50 may very well be a viable upgrade for you.

Personally though I extensively use features like aftertouch and the alternate outs, so I don't consider the M50 as a replacement option for me, the only current upgrade path would be the M3 or (budget allowing) OASYS.

If I were after just more sounds and keeping my current gear too then I would consider the M50.

paja077 · Post by **paja077** » Wed May 19, 2010 4:56 am

Korg Triton Extreme is King of KORG.
M3 is on the shitt.
Sounds from the Extreme is best of.

sani · Post by **sani** » Wed May 19, 2010 6:39 am

paja077 wrote:Korg Triton Extreme is King of KORG.
M3 is on the shitt.
Sounds from the Extreme is best of.

What a great post!

You wrote three sentences and it's hard to say which one is more useless.

paja077 · Post by **paja077** » Thu May 20, 2010 10:08 am

sani wrote:
paja077 wrote:Korg Triton Extreme is King of KORG.
M3 is on the shitt.
Sounds from the Extreme is best of.
What a great post!
You wrote three sentences and it's hard to say which one is more useless.

Im sorry

I have KORG Tr.EXTREME and KORG M3XPanded.
Korg Extreme have sounds the best sounds of all workstations KORG.
Do you understand me?

sani · Post by **sani** » Thu May 20, 2010 11:33 am

paja077 wrote: Do you understand me?

NO, not really.

First,
sound is a subjective thing. The Extreme has a vast variety, but that doesn't mean that it sounds better.

Second,
it's not all about sounds but also about features.
Regarding M3 vs. Triton Extreme

a) bigger sample RAM and faster loading times

b) EQ per channel. No more wasting insert effects for EQs to round a timbre up in a combination

c) ability to use stereo samples on one single oscillator. Finally you can make a piano+string program in the program mode with stereo samples.

d) 16 timbres in a combination opens your creativity for making very complex sounds or live setups

e) you can finally transpose a timbre more than just 2 octaves in the combination. Very important for those who create a split on 88key versions.

f) pads. you can trigger chords or samples right from the pads, without wasting keys on the keyboard.

g) for the case you missed it, there are 8 sliders, finally allowing you to control your sounds and their volume level in a combination.

h) there are dedicated 8 buttons for further control

i) the display is a controller itself. Just because you don't use it, doesn't mean that it doesn't count

j) you can edit a timbre inside a combination and save it within the combination, without the need to save it as a new program before using it in a combination.

k) the ADSR lines are not just linear but can also be a curve, allowing you for finer adjustments.

l) there are expanded sounds covering piano and brass/woodwind. If you don't hear a difference compared to the Extreme, you have a very serious ear problem.

m) there are less samples on the M3, but in a bigger Rom, compared to the Extreme. It means better sample quality and you need far less effects to polish them up.

n) there is KARMA. Learn to use it. It is far, far more than just a device for creating drum patterns. It can create fantastic effects on the sounds and even for live purposes it ads great variety to the sounds.

Third,
saying that the M3 is s**t just means that you don't have any clue what can be done with an instrument. If the sound is the only thing you care about, sell your keyboards and use a laptop on stage with loads of vst instruments.

Finally,
it's absolutely okay to say that you prefer one instrument over the other and it is especially ok if you give some arguments, regardless how subjective they are.
But saying that the M3 is s**t and the Extreme is great because it has the best sound, that's just...i'd better not say it.
There are people who say that the motif or fantom sounds the best and that the Extreme is s**t. Now, who is right? You or those motif/fantom owners?

drama1 · Post by **drama1** » Thu May 20, 2010 4:37 pm

Try switching a combi or program during live performance on the Extreme without cutoff of sound? NOT. The M3 and Karma you can switch combi/programs even with splits and no cutoff of sound during live performance. Priceless.

kanthos · Post by **kanthos** » Thu May 20, 2010 5:17 pm

You can make that switch seamlessly in sequencer mode, and unless your intention was to use combi mode to control multiple external instruments on multiple MIDI channels, you don't lose anything.

Stefanus Wayanartha · Sun May 23, 2010 10:57 am

one thing, M3 has a wavesequence feature using Karma

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Sun May 23, 2010 4:41 pm

BasariStudios wrote:anyone who will exchange an Extreme for an M50 i pity them and laugh at them, that would be very funny, no matter what taste and needs is...

official reviews of the M50:

http://www.zimbio.com/Music+Production/ ... orkstation

"I even read a review from someone who has a Triton Extreme and they rate the M50 sounds as being better! Quite a compliment!"

http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/korg ... c-08/90833

“It’s more like they squeezed everything I liked about the full-blown Triton Extreme into more contemporary, sweeter-sounding hardware.”

I'd take an M3 or M50 over an Extreme any day of the week - and I did.

-Mc

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Sun May 23, 2010 4:45 pm

drama1 wrote:Try switching a combi or program during live performance on the Extreme without cutoff of sound? NOT. The M3 and Karma you can switch combi/programs even with splits and no cutoff of sound during live performance. Priceless.

On my Triton Pro I *DO* switch progs live all the time and not lose the patch. The effects will disappear, but the sound stays.