Quiet Samples

Ultimate Dj · Post by **Ultimate Dj** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:41 pm

Hi,
I need some help. I bought some samples from www.tonehammer.com the Forgotten Voices Series. I put on a USB put them in my M3. and like totally quiet. in the Sample mode they sound okay but in Seq with a song you can hardly hear em. So the next one I do I put them in Sony Sound Forge and turn up alll the samples WAY up so their almost spiking and load again...and the exact same volume.
So what am I missing?! I have sample packages that I did in the Oasys and those sound fine but...in the M3 bad news.

thanks!

puraviad
dJ

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:25 am

What do you mean by Samples, are they edited in a PCG or you just
LOADing them as Waves in sequencer? Whaetver the sound in Sampling
mode they cant sound the same anywhere else if they are feeded thru PCG.

Ultimate Dj · Post by **Ultimate Dj** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:17 pm

BasariStudios wrote:What do you mean by Samples, are they edited in a PCG or you just
LOADing them as Waves in sequencer? Whatever the sound in Sampling
mode they cant sound the same anywhere else if they are fed thru PCG.

nope just the Wav files. I load the Wavs files into Sampling and than Convert to Program so I can actually use them in the Sequencer. I don't know how I would load the Wavs into the Seq. Never done it.
They sound the same just no at all the same volume.

puravida
DJ

kanthos · Post by **kanthos** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:16 pm

Do they play back at the right volume in program mode? If not, the oscillator volumes for the program are too low. If so, the mix level for the sampled track in your sequence is too low.

cowtothesky · Post by **cowtothesky** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:42 pm

I had the same problem and got around this by applying a compressor effect and cranking it up. It worked out fine once I did this. Didn't bother to figure out how to increase the levels through the sample edit mode.

Gargamel314 · Post by **Gargamel314** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:02 pm

maybe increase the "drive" parameter in the program?

Spotnik · Post by **Spotnik** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:32 pm

I just noticed this myself while creating programs from Vintage Keyboard Sounds samples. The default M3 programs all sound plenty loud at 100, but the programs I create from VKS samples sound pretty quiet at 127 (the settinng in the audio page).

Is there in fact a way to increase this volume of the sample files during the load and sample edit process?

Daz · Post by **Daz** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:07 pm

Do you have the +12dB option enabled for those samples ?

Korg M3 Param Guide wrote: With RAM Multisamples, each Sample also has a “+12dB”
option. If this is turned on, the Sample will play back
approximately 12 dB louder. You can configure this
parameter for each Sample in Sampling mode.

Search for +12dB in the pdf version of the M3 Parameter guide to get the all the info, if this isn't something you've played with.

Better than using the compressor IFX; you only have 5 IFX slots

HTH,

Daz.

Ultimate Dj · Post by **Ultimate Dj** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:17 pm

Daz wrote:Do you have the +12dB option enabled for those samples ?

Korg M3 Param Guide wrote: With RAM Multisamples, each Sample also has a “+12dB”
option. If this is turned on, the Sample will play back
approximately 12 dB louder. You can configure this
parameter for each Sample in Sampling mode.
Search for +12dB in the pdf version of the M3 Parameter guide to get the all the info, if this isn't something you've played with.

Better than using the compressor IFX; you only have 5 IFX slots

HTH,

Daz.

for my part yeah I always have the +12dB checked and their still totally quiet. (I thought this thread was dead thanks Daz!

)
I still should try to turn to turn up the Drive in program mode.

thanks people!

DJ

Daz · Post by **Daz** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:28 pm

That was for Spotnik ... he just brought this thread back to life

Shakil · Post by **Shakil** » Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:06 pm

UltimateDj... are the samples normalized?

Gargamel314 · Post by **Gargamel314** » Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:38 pm

i have one multisample i did off the Korg 01/W piano ... it's the same situation. I went into sample edit mode, and on each sample, I hit "Normalize/Level Adjust" and boosted everything by 10 dB. Now they sound great... I wouldn't Normalize them, one of the samples might have a spike in volume at some point that isn't like in the other samples. just boost everything by the same level in dB's. It's a quick function that won't take the M3 long to process.

Spotnik · Post by **Spotnik** » Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:58 pm

Yup! I just found this out myself, from the guy who runs the Karma-Lab boards.

Now, I thought normalizing was supposed to account for those spikes, the idea being to bring up the volume as high as possible without clipping. Does it just not work as well as advertised? I was actually surprised that normalizing actually resulted in louder files than my own dB choices!

One thing I noticed too is that after I adjusted the level, my program actually played louder than when in edit mode. No complaints from me, especially after struggling with this issue for so long.

Thanks everyone--BTW the gain increase worked pretty well too in a pinch, but this is the solution I was really looking for.