Kaossilator Pro fixes and features wish list (update4/20/10)

Mr36 · Post by **Mr36** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:00 pm

Unfortunately, I agree with Mr. Trade. I don't think the DJ cueing idea could be implemented for this one but I hope there's a chance for the lesser idea of just not outputting the fader-muted bank in record mode via a firmware update.
I don't know enough about the insides of these things to know though.

salamanderanagram · Post by **salamanderanagram** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:09 pm

"I don't know enough about the insides of these things to know though."

it seems like you're still talking about the headphone jack outputting something other than RCA jacks - if so, this is 99% likely to be impossible (trust me, i've taken apart an awful lot of electronics). they are mostly likely the exact same signal right down to the last wire, and you would need a hardware upgrade in order to change that.

Mr36 · Post by **Mr36** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:35 pm

I do trust you. I believe I have witnessed some of your work. Very interesting and impressive.

However, I am not talking about the headphone jack at all. I literally don't care for being able to hear what I'm putting in at all. All I'd LOVE would be to record in without it being directly output by the corresponding bank volume being set to 0 instead of it still outputting the original/live input no matter what.

salamanderanagram · Post by **salamanderanagram** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:31 pm

lol, i'm still not sure i understand, but i've yet to play with a kpro so maybe it's my fault...

you want to be recording a sound without being able to hear it?

my guess is that the input is tied directly to the output, attenuated only by the input volume knob. so it wouldn't matter what volume the bank you are recording is set to, as that isn't the signal being sent to the output. i could of course, be very wrong, i'm not too familiar with the kpro. if this is the case though, it's probably not able to be fixed by firmware either

Mr36 · Post by **Mr36** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:58 pm

Well, this is true. The fader levels are the loop levels affecting the output level of the recorded loops and are not the recording level. But... I was thinking it could be possible to re-route something via firmware that allowed those faders to not only control the recorded loop output but also the level of the live audio being played into the corresponding bank when in record mode.

Inotherwords, I would like to be able to do the following (after having some loops already playing)...

* set the bank D (for example) fader level to 0
* press REC and then bank D to start recording
* play external sound source to be recorded to bank D
* hear none of the external source being recorded to bank D from the outputs until the fader level is once again raised

Again, I'm not sure it is possible, but it would be very useful.

dcer10 · Post by **dcer10** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:49 am

How about adding a metronome, even if it only came out the headphone outputs (with accented first beat).

I find that when I start the midi clock from logic, the Kaossilator Pro and my KP3 both are already running, and as much as it tries to put it in time it doesnt really work ie I wait for 16 bars exactly to pass based on the logic clock, hit record on one of the Kaoss devices and there on some odd beat like 2/16 for example.

The whole sync feature on both devices seems to be an afterthought. The KP3 at least has align which works ok.

Preparing your own samples and uploading them to the devices seems to help a bit, but takes the joy out of the real time sampling. A metronome would help with this so you dont have lay down a "preset" beat first which you then try to play along to but realise it was out of cycle with the midi clock anyway!

Anyone else have tempo/sync frustrations with these devices? Come on Korg, please make them more PRO!

DannyOcean · Post by **DannyOcean** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:50 pm

Mr36 wrote:Inotherwords, I would like to be able to do the following (after having some loops already playing)...

* set the bank D (for example) fader level to 0
* press REC and then bank D to start recording
* play external sound source to be recorded to bank D
* hear none of the external source being recorded to bank D from the outputs until the fader level is once again raised

Again, I'm not sure it is possible, but it would be very useful.

I agree, seems to me that's something that could be fixed by a firmware update.

I've just realised that my DJ-cueing wish can be fixed already (sort of) - all you need to do is have an original Kaossilator plugged in as the external sound source. Then you can cue that up on headphones before dropping it in.

Mr36 · Post by **Mr36** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:55 pm

Yeah, before I sold it, I was using the KP3 to do that sort of thing. It can be done with other things but it would just be a nice bonus if we could do it with just the KPro.

I do wonder what (if anything) is going to be included in the big firmware update (if there even is one)...

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:27 am

dcer10 wrote:How about adding a metronome, even if it only came out the headphone outputs (with accented first beat).

I find that when I start the midi clock from logic, the Kaossilator Pro and my KP3 both are already running, and as much as it tries to put it in time it doesnt really work ie I wait for 16 bars exactly to pass based on the logic clock, hit record on one of the Kaoss devices and there on some odd beat like 2/16 for example.

The whole sync feature on both devices seems to be an afterthought. The KP3 at least has align which works ok.

Preparing your own samples and uploading them to the devices seems to help a bit, but takes the joy out of the real time sampling. A metronome would help with this so you dont have lay down a "preset" beat first which you then try to play along to but realise it was out of cycle with the midi clock anyway!

Anyone else have tempo/sync frustrations with these devices? Come on Korg, please make them more PRO!

Sorry dude but I really hope Korg DOES NOT INCLUDE A METRONOME...I mean you got a drum beat, thats your metronome! I remember when I got a Boss loop station and they had that crap I was looking to hack that out of the device...most annoying thing on the planet. Set a beat, you're good to go.

On the syncing issues I've taking some time to work with my KOPro and KP3 syncing them together and I have no problems, actually I can't seem to figure out why I don't have syncing issues and everyone else does. I know I can't be the only one with most perfect KOPro so what gives, right? then I noticed in your post you have a computer in the mix...you want logic to run your midi clock...Ahhhhh i get it!

Dude go here: http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=53287

and read what xmlguy has to say on the subject, what he has to say is exactly why you will always have problems syncing to your mac or logic or ableton. The gear is out board instruments meant to be used with out computers...but xmlguy explains it so much better.

sadist%vince · Post by **sadist%vince** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:49 am

Sampling ability and programable engine. Midi thru and step sequencer would be nice too.

Jim Pong · Post by **Jim Pong** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:06 am

Sampling ability? You can already record and overdub external audio on 4 banks. Programmable engine? When you have 199 presets, there must be some sounds you like. And a step sequencer? What for? I guess you'll have to buy a sampler and a step sequencer then. I don't think korg will take the time to make these things happen.

I only hope they can make the apparatus react to midi notes from keyboard controllers with the y- axis pad movement controlled by the modulation wheel and the x-axis movement controlled by midi notes, where notes that are not in the specified scale will be the same pitch as the first note in the specified scale, to the left of that key/note.

sadist%vince · Post by **sadist%vince** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:04 pm

Sampling ability so you can load your own samples into it and play them from the pad. I have NUMEROUS samplers but this would be a fun new way of doing it. Yes I do like some of the sounds in it but I want to be able to tweak mine so I can crate my own patches and control turn off the delays. Should Korg start to make just romplers and quit making synthesizers? I guess you must like to play factory presets but I enjoy creating my own patches for my music not just turning to a preset and play. To each their own though but I would feel a little cheap doing that and I am sure lots of other folks agree with me on it. That's what make my music stand apart from a lot of the other people that play in bands around where I live and what I enjoy to do is create my own sounds so no one can say "Hey, I know that's a patch on the Radias . Now on to the sequencer there have been TONS of people wanting and talking about a cross between a Kaossilator and Electribe for years now so I don't think a sequencer is that strange to request. In a live setting for the stuff I do a sequencer frees me up to use other equipment on stage and would add a whole new way to use it in a live setting. Troll away my little preset Padawan.

Jim Pong · Post by **Jim Pong** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:56 pm

You are right when you say that those features would add something to the device. Although I'm not using most of the presets, there are sounds I like. Just like all the people that have bought acoustic guitars over the years really liked their six string preset.
I agree a programmable engine to make your own presets would be the greatest of additions (together with playing the sounds through midi note in). I just don't think they can or want to add those functions with a firmware update. If there is even going to be one.

And how do you see your step sequencer idea implemented in this device then?

sadist%vince · Post by **sadist%vince** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:28 pm

I don't see them able to implement it on this version but I know we will see another in a few years and hope these ideas go into version 2 a super kaossilator that would be so kool.

Jim Pong · Post by **Jim Pong** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:53 am

In the note range selection menu there should be 1 extra option besides Prog, 1-4 octaves and full, (something like "fixed grid") A setting that lets you have 2 (or one if two is too difficulture) octaves fixed to the led grid. The first octave on the 8 horizontal leds of the 4 rows at the top, and the second octave on the 8 horizontal leds of the 4 rows at the bottom. And as there are no scales consisting of more than 8 notes everything would fit into place.
Of course the leds have to be lit, with the lowest row brightest and brightness fading on the rows above. When you play a note the led should then switch off for a second or two. When you have a scale consisting of five notes, like pentatonic scales or the Hawaiian scale, only 5 leds per octave will be lit. I presumed the grid already had this kind of function, and that "touch pad correction"? needed to be turned on for it to work, but that wasn't it. This is probably all wishful thinking, nevertheless korg would/could make a great addition to a great instrument if they manage to improve/enrich their ideas taking formi

Waiting to see firmware updates happen makes you